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CrypticPurpose
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 Posted: Mon Jul 05, 2021 4:52 pm
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So, they are selling things they don't technically have the rights to, and their name is only one character away from 'Yakuza'?
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Zalis116
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Posted: Mon Jul 05, 2021 4:55 pm
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NFT = Nuke Future Temperatures, another terrible energy-wasting idea for the environment and the climate. Just like cryptocurrencies, blockchain, and the like.
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MarshalBanana
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Posted: Mon Jul 05, 2021 5:30 pm
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So instead of buying an actual cel, you just buy a digital copy of it that anyone can get for free?
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Dark.exe
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Posted: Mon Jul 05, 2021 5:44 pm
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zrdb
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Posted: Mon Jul 05, 2021 7:07 pm
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Come on boys and girls-can you say digital artifacts?
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Cutiebunny
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Posted: Mon Jul 05, 2021 7:59 pm
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Ok, so...I'm confused. They're selling the scans of the cels or the actual, original cel?
If it's the former, how can they do that? I own cels. I have scans of them online. So now a company is going to take the scan of my cel, sell it and I'll have to potentially deal with a future owner informing me that they own the scan of my cel and therefore I can't display the scan of an item I physically own online?
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Vent
Joined: 22 Aug 2009
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Posted: Mon Jul 05, 2021 8:12 pm
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| Cutiebunny wrote: | | Ok, so...I'm confused. They're selling the scans of the cels or the actual, original cel?
If it's the former, how can they do that? I own cels. I have scans of them online. So now a company is going to take the scan of my cel, sell it and I'll have to potentially deal with a future owner informing me that they own the scan of my cel and therefore I can't display the scan of an item I physically own online? |
they are selling links to jpegs of the original cels.
yes, it's exactly as stupid as that sounds
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Electric Wooloo
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Posted: Mon Jul 05, 2021 8:18 pm
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| Cutiebunny wrote: | | Ok, so...I'm confused. They're selling the scans of the cels or the actual, original cel?
If it's the former, how can they do that? I own cels. I have scans of them online. So now a company is going to take the scan of my cel, sell it and I'll have to potentially deal with a future owner informing me that they own the scan of my cel and therefore I can't display the scan of an item I physically own online? |
No no no, it's much stupider than that. NFTs are a big "you did it" certificate saying you own a thing. But you don't actually own that thing, you just own the certificate saying you own the thing.
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Cutiebunny
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Posted: Mon Jul 05, 2021 9:12 pm
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| Electric Wooloo wrote: | | No no no, it's much stupider than that. NFTs are a big "you did it" certificate saying you own a thing. But you don't actually own that thing, you just own the certificate saying you own the thing. |
How does that have any legal merit? I can't print out a picture of a house with the caption "I own this" and then show up there and expect its current over to hand over the keys.
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MagicPolly
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Posted: Mon Jul 05, 2021 9:22 pm
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| Cutiebunny wrote: |
| Electric Wooloo wrote: | | No no no, it's much stupider than that. NFTs are a big "you did it" certificate saying you own a thing. But you don't actually own that thing, you just own the certificate saying you own the thing. |
How does that have any legal merit? I can't print out a picture of a house with the caption "I own this" and then show up there and expect its current over to hand over the keys. |
That's the thing, it doesn't have any legal merit or even mean anything in reality. The way someone described it to me was if there was a sticky note in a broom closet of the Louvre saying "XYZ owns the Mona Lisa" and you got a printout from the gift shop.
Then there's the whole destroying the environment aspect to it as well.
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Top Gun
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Posted: Mon Jul 05, 2021 9:25 pm
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| Cutiebunny wrote: | |
How does that have any legal merit? I can't print out a picture of a house with the caption "I own this" and then show up there and expect its current over to hand over the keys. |
Ain't late-stage capitalism grand?!
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WANNFH
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Posted: Tue Jul 06, 2021 1:48 am
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| Cutiebunny wrote: | | If it's the former, how can they do that? I own cels. I have scans of them online. So now a company is going to take the scan of my cel, sell it and I'll have to potentially deal with a future owner informing me that they own the scan of my cel and therefore I can't display the scan of an item I physically own online? |
The actual thing... they cannot do that without the proof of ownership rights or any allowance from the actual rights holder to do that, because by any other means that is an easy copyright infringement case - and in fact, many companies warn people to not use their copyright material (like character art) to do that.
Also, NFT certification does not transfer any actual ownership rights to the future owner, so it doesn't mean you can just display the scan of cel any way even after you sell the NFT - like said before, by its current flawed system without any law support it's just nothing but the glorified "I own this" paper, that not actually have any actual rights tied to it.
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SHD
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Posted: Tue Jul 06, 2021 3:38 am
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Meanwhile, the people who actually drew the cels don't get to see a single yen out of this.
Amazing.
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Erufailon4
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Posted: Tue Jul 06, 2021 3:49 am
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| Quote: | | Rakuza admits that it has not obtained express permission for the transactions from the copyright owners of these anime cels |
So essentially they're pirating JPGs. I see.
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SHD
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Posted: Tue Jul 06, 2021 3:55 am
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| Erufailon4 wrote: |
| Quote: | | Rakuza admits that it has not obtained express permission for the transactions from the copyright owners of these anime cels |
So essentially they're pirating JPGs. I see. |
It gets better: these cels are scans, so there exists an original version of each one. So what these guys are saying is: "So we have all these amazing, unique cels, and now you can buy exclusive ownership of... the scan of them. Not the original, physical cel that is the actually valuable item. You won't get that. You can pay for owning this scan of it that we made for you."
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