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tintor2
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Posted: Thu May 09, 2024 9:08 am
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A manga article? Thought you guys would use Madhouse' adaptation since Netflix has it. Honestly, while Madhouse' is more faithful, Nippon's adaptation took more freedom and added extralayers to some characters like Killua who started talking to himself in doubts when he wonders if is worthy of being Gon's friend. There is also the darker colors used in the most serious scenes like when Illumi threatens Killua or that scene where Kurapika removes his contact lens to threaten a guy with his face. There is also that strange homoerotic subtext Kurapika and Leorio have in the first anime....
That relationship was present in the Madhouse version except for the second movie. Meanwhile Madhouse really liked shipping Gon and Killua especially in the post ending scenes to the point they downright kiss each other twice. Honestly, it's a good ship especially in the Chimera arc when Killua faces his fears.
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Shay Guy
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Posted: Thu May 09, 2024 9:13 am
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I've strictly been following it through print volumes, and I hate to say it, but I'm a little less positive. It's impressive for what it is, but this latest volume (compiling the batch of chapters before this most recent one) wasn't one I actually enjoyed so much. Here's what I had to say on RPGnet when I read it:
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Hunter × Hunter volume 37: I think I might be done with this series.
I have the utmost respect for Togashi professionally, and I can hardly fault him for writing what he's interested in, but I'm becoming increasingly convinced that the Succession Contest arc was a mistake. It's been four years since I read the last volume, and I have no memory of who any of the new characters are. Most of what happens here amounts to an absurd number of characters in an absurd number of factions trying to figure out each other's (or their own) absurdly complicated Nen powers. I'm not dedicated enough to keep the wiki open so I can track all the alliances and maneuvers.
And the effect on the scripting and paneling has become infamous. Akira Toriyama's death got a lot of people talking about his brilliance as a mangaka, but while Yu Yu Hakusho was published alongside Dragon Ball's second half, it's clear that Togashi doesn't have his old colleague's knack for visual communication. There are pages here that became a meme for being almost pure text back when the chapters first came out, and even with art added, they're still incredibly wordy. And for all the verbal information we have, the most important questions -- like "Is this good for Kurapika? Bad for Kurapika?" -- are often very difficult to answer for any particular plot development.
Compounding it all, a lot of these issues are exacerbated intentionally, because Kurapika's whole strategy is to give as many people Nen as possible, so the contest gets so complicated that it grinds to a stalemate and nobody ever gets around to targeting his infant charge. It's hard to make a compelling narrative out of, and that's without getting into the seeming disconnect from everything relating to the real Dark Continent or maybe even Kurapika's revenge quest, let alone Gon and Killua being absent and completely unconnected to any of this. I'm sure Togashi will eventually manage to get another volume's worth of chapters out, in whatever venue he and Shueisha agree on, and the ten chapters that started in late 2022 will then become volume 38… but I'm really not sure I'll be interested in coming back when that happens. |
To be sure, the Chimera Ant arc is still a legend among battle manga arcs. And I like Nen conceptually; it has a lot of appeal to the nerd-brain, and I like Sanderson books as much as the next guy. But… I dunno, as far as battle manga goes, I guess Chainsaw Man is more my speed these days.
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Blue Senpai
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Posted: Thu May 09, 2024 10:25 am
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Did this is column really equate Alluka's family only sees her as a creature for being the host of a demon so they disregard her entirely and only refer to Nanika when addressing her to being transgender? Not sure how to feel about that one. I'll assume they meant well but...
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tintor2
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Posted: Thu May 09, 2024 11:48 am
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Blue Senpai wrote: | Did this is column really equate Alluka's family only sees her as a creature for being the host of a demon so they disregard her entirely and only refer to Nanika when addressing her to being transgender? Not sure how to feel about that one. I'll assume they meant well but... |
I honestly never paid attention to Alluka's gender but the Zoldyk (or however it's written) are horrible family composed of murderers. Heck Illumi and the father (don't remember his name) put a niddle inside Killua's head so that he would follow their examples so any gender theme was not present when I was watching it. I mean Togashi has already drawn several characters who can be mistaken girls like Kurama or Kurapika (it doesn't help Kurapika also dresses like one in one arc)
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Dr. Wily
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Posted: Thu May 09, 2024 2:21 pm
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That page with the pigeon handcuffs and "Does your ability have a point?" just reminds me of Giorno and Gold Experience from JJBA (and particularly a bunch of parody edits I've seen where Abacchio just says that he hates him so much whenever GE is used to do particularly wacky stuff).
Anyway although HxH isn't my favorite show/manga of all time, I will say I respect it for never getting stale. I mean, it would be very easy for Togashi to fall into the old shonen traps of tournament arcs (even though he did write what is probably hands down still the best tournament arc of all time in the Dark Tournament from YYH) and just constant screaming power up fights, but it's constantly changing things up. I mean Greed Island is all about making things into a weird video game (although it's not a video game, I know, okay?) with card mechanics, the Chimera Ant arc turns into a stealth mission near the end, it just never stops innovating.
...even though the whole story peaked when Leorio slugged Ging for being a crap dad and the story could have ended there imo
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db999
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Posted: Thu May 09, 2024 3:09 pm
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tintor2 wrote: | I honestly never paid attention to Alluka's gender but the Zoldyk (or however it's written) are horrible family composed of murderers. Heck Illumi and the father (don't remember his name) put a niddle inside Killua's head so that he would follow their examples so any gender theme was not present when I was watching it. I mean Togashi has already drawn several characters who can be mistaken girls like Kurama or Kurapika (it doesn't help Kurapika also dresses like one in one arc) |
I’m sorry but that is 100% the intent. The whole family refer to Alluka as being male with the exception of Killua who refers to her as being female and Alluka also identifies as a girl. And because of this Killua is the only person who can ask Nannika for wishes and not be given a price so that clearly means a lot to them. What other explanation is there?
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malvarez1
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Posted: Thu May 09, 2024 8:21 pm
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To this day, Hunter x Hunter remains one of my favorites. I’m always up for reading more, no matter how long it takes between releases.
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ZiharkXVI
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Posted: Thu May 09, 2024 9:55 pm
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I've been keeping up whenever it's updated because I absolutely adore this manga. The revamped anime is everything I wanted in a remake. I'm actually interested in the current arc quite a bit, but if I'm being honest, I feel like we are building, building, building...but in the back of my mind I'm wondering if we'll ever see the end. The abnormal release schedule has destroyed the ability to really view this manga normally, and thus sucks all the excitement out. At this point, I pretty much expect that we may never see the ending from the mangaka.
I know there was some article some time back about the plan for the ending, but as someone who's created a few stories I just don't want that 5 sentence afterword in the book that tells me Kurapika goes off and lives _____ life or whatever. And when I'm reading a book series, I do expect an end at some point. A truly great story has a beginning, middle, and end. If I never get an end, it sucks my enjoyment out.
Anyways, I enjoyed the article because there are some really interesting things going on and if it CONTINUES...then I suspect it'll be some great entertainment.
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Wyvern
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Posted: Fri May 10, 2024 12:35 am
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Blue Senpai wrote: | Did this is column really equate Alluka's family only sees her as a creature for being the host of a demon so they disregard her entirely and only refer to Nanika when addressing her to being transgender? Not sure how to feel about that one. I'll assume they meant well but... |
I mean, she IS transgender, and the way her family treats her is a direct reference to that. All of them call her "he" and refer to her as a boy, whereas Killua is the only relative who calls Alluka "she." It's one of the main indicators that he's the only family member who really cares about her, and helps explain why they are so close.
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tintor2
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Posted: Fri May 10, 2024 8:43 am
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db999 wrote: | I’m sorry but that is 100% the intent. The whole family refer to Alluka as being male with the exception of Killua who refers to her as being female and Alluka also identifies as a girl. And because of this Killua is the only person who can ask Nannika for wishes and not be given a price so that clearly means a lot to them. What other explanation is there? |
I only considered Nanika as the reason of being sealed considering Alluka wasn't that different to other kid characters as a female voice actress voiced her, had adorable clothing, and let the hair grow but not as much as Illumi. I honestly never considered the gender since there was more controversy about who was Nanika and what exactly was the power everybody wanted to obtain.
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db999
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Posted: Fri May 10, 2024 9:12 am
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tintor2 wrote: | I only considered Nanika as the reason of being sealed considering Alluka wasn't that different to other kid characters as a female voice actress voiced her, had adorable clothing, and let the hair grow but not as much as Illumi. I honestly never considered the gender since there was more controversy about who was Nanika and what exactly was the power everybody wanted to obtain. |
Yeah I can totally understand someone missing the trans narrative and focusing more on the Nannika situation given that it’s dark and interesting with the whole wishes and dire consequences for them, but it’s definitely meant to be a metaphor for her being a trans girl. Her family refuses to accept her gender, and also seals her due to Nannika which is a metaphor for her family trying to “keep her in the closet.” They don’t listen to her or her needs and try to tell her who to be and to control her, which has the complete opposite effect because she can tell that they’re only using her, hence her lashing out with the dire consequences for granting wishes. Killua meanwhile, doesn’t misgender her, shows her genuine affection, and is the only one to accept her for who she is so she grants his wishes for free. So when you look at the entire situation it’s 100% a trans narrative and metaphor.
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bleachj0j
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Posted: Fri May 10, 2024 10:02 am
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The best thing Togashi has done is turn HxH into a playground where he can do what he wants. Ultimately the manga's message is about the distractions along the way. It oddly poetic for a manga that may not see a definitive end, but maybe it doesn't matter because everything else is so good the end may not be important.
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ZiharkXVI
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Posted: Fri May 10, 2024 11:36 am
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I'm not sure I agree that Alluka is "definitely meant to be a trans narrative". It is an interesting interpretation, but has Togashi ever said that it was? The problem with that interpretation is indeed Nanika's powers. In fact, sealing away that power is much more akin to the idea of sealing away a powerful djinni who while able to grant wishes is also incredibly dangerous. That's not really a trans narrative - it becomes less about accepting them for who they are (whatever gender she chooses to be) and more about the sacrifice Killua makes to both engage and befriend her. She is in every sense of the phrase - a deadly encounter. It is difficult to compare choosing who you identify as to deadly threats.
I'm not saying your interpretation is incorrect, but I suspect other interpretations are just as valid.
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MarshalBanana
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Posted: Fri May 10, 2024 4:11 pm
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tintor2 wrote: | A manga article? Thought you guys would use Madhouse' adaptation since Netflix has it. |
They are covering stuff that came after the Madhouse version ended, and focusing a lot on Togashi.
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