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gaminganimator
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Hello, this is my first post. I was just wondering if there are fans of either anime or cartoons from other regions who prefer one form of animation and hate on others. I believe that all forms of animation have the strengths and weaknesses. One is no better than the other.
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Tony K.
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Give examples and be more detailed. Why do you think one is neither good nor bad? What, in your opinion, are the strengths and weaknesses of each?
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gaminganimator
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Thank you for your constructive criticism. I believe the strengths of anime are the strong, quality animation, the variety of story and character types, the freedom to be as mature as rated-R movies, and the plentiful number of series in circulation. Weaknesses, in my opinion, include unlikable or unoriginal main characters in some series (Rozen Maiden, Love Hina) , series that go on for only one or two seasons, the inability for series to make sense outside of the region intended, and the bad dubs that make their way stateside.
As for cartoons made in the U.S., and perhaps other regions, strengths include a wide variety of animation styles (The Simpsons, Reboot, South Park), fantastic voice-acting from veterans in the field, characters of all different shapes, sizes, and culture, and easier accessibility. Cons include shows that don't make sense in other regions (Family Guy, American Dad), harder to distribute in other regions, and taste in animation style may vary. What I mean when I say that a series from one region is no different from another region, I don't mean either is good or bad, just different. I enjoy series like The Simpsons, Phineas and Ferb, South Park, Naruto, Pucca, and Total Drama Island. These are all very different series. Some of you may like all, some, or none. We're all different, therefore we all have different tastes. I'm animation is in a league of its own when it comes to entertainment, and all forms should be appreciated. |
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KyuuA4
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And now, the basis - and absolute background - to ALL animation. Japanese, American, French, even Russian -- whatever:
INTRO: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C7Op0AvcVOQ INTERMISSION: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6T0UQfKTcQw ENDING: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_lWdOFvkF7k The best aspect of ALL animation - it has no limits. Creators can do whatever they want. Literally. Things don't even have to make sense. 
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TheTheory
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I'm someone who just loves animation, regardless of where it comes from. The perk to Japanese animation is that they view it as a medium for any age, where as the converse drawback to American animation is that it is viewed as being for kids (or the sarcastic satirical adult show like The Simpsons, South Park, etc). I'd like to think that America is becoming more open minded about animation (thanks, again, to those Simpsons, etc, shows)... but we're still light years away from producing a full length animated movie (not based on a current tv show*) for adults like Akira or Perfect Blue.
*as most of the big adult animated shows, The Simpsons, Aqua Teen Hunger Force, and South Park, have all had theatrical movies... and Futurama and Family Guy have both had direct-to-dvd movie releases. |
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AceRyonik
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I lean towards Western animation and comics, myself. Nowadays, anyway. I was a big anime fan a couple years ago, back when I had a good back catalogue of awesome shows. Now that I'm pretty much caught up, I can't help but notice that there's usually only one or two anime series worth watching in a whole year, and a whole bunch of manufactured tripe.
For animation, I've really been enjoying Venture Bros, Avatar, Chowder, and The Misadventures of Flapjack. I've only recently gotten into comics, so right now I'm following Sandman, Grant Morrison's Animal Man, and Avengers Initiative. Comparitavely, Hellsing and Berserk are the only Japanese series I've really been following since Death Note ended. Sometimes I wish I could go back to when I would wait with bated breath for the next Gankutsuou DVD to be released. |
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gaminganimator
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More adult oriented non-anime movies include Beowolf, and the Marvel and DC straight to DVD animated features, (Ultimate Avengers, The Invincible Iron Man, Superman Doomsday, and Justice League: The New Frontier). Granted, all of these are rated PG-13.
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samuraiwalt
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We're not light years away they're just very rare. What about American Pop? I think the works of Ralph Bakshi fit the bill of American adult oriented animation. The reason you don't see more films like those are because they make alot more money with films like Shrek. |
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thepsychogamer
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I'm for More eastern style animation cause they do more with the story. most likely cause most Americans don't believe something animated will have any real substance.
Personally i only ever got into two western cartoons 1: Robot Chicken 2: Megas XLR |
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guet
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I don't think it has to be an either or relationship. Anime was originally influenced by western animation, and vice versa western animation today can be influenced by anime. I prefer to take each view as a look at the work itself, not where it originated or for what age group/gender it was "intended" for. I do tend to watch more anime than "cartoons", but there is nothing wrong with some variety every now and again.
As mentioned before, some of the recent comic book direct-to-video movies have been quite good. Some of the Warner Brothers cartoons, like Bugs Bunny or Pinky and the Brain, offer almost a universal appeal. One of these days I will also probably get around to checking out Avatar, as I hear from some that it actually a good show regardless of age. I think as time goes on, the line between the two cultures will get more and more blurred, as the Japanese continue to work on things like Batman: Gothic Knight, and anime itself becomes more of a mainstream genre. I for one am very interested to see what comes out of the Spielberg Ghost in the Shell project. All that bieng said, I still loves me some anime. As to the question why? I would have to say that there is something about completing over 100 series, and knowing that there is still something new that I didn't expect waiting around the corner. Music, characters, story, visuals, and everything else about a great anime series can put it at the top as my entertainment of choice. |
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AceRyonik
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You really should check out Avatar. It's not very complex, and it does tend to remind you that it's a kid's show by Nickelodeon every once in a while, but it's very good. The characters are some of the most well-rounded and likeable in recent memory, and the animation and fight choreography consistently amaze. Especially starting from Season 2, every single fight sees the protagonists use vastly different strategies and techniques, whether they win or lose. There are no "special techniques," that they use in a pinch.
http://www.avatarchapters.org/26/book-2/chapter-06.html Here's a stream of one of the better episodes (in my opinion). Viacom hasn't shut it down despite their rampancy in doing so, which leads my to believe that the site's legit. Terrible video quality, and there are ads all over the place (don't let it install anything- it's not necessary), but it'll do for a preview. |
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doctordoom85
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Avatar does rule, and like you said, it is a kids' show, BUT it has plenty of moments that shows its arguably true aim is an older audience.
Sadly, there haven't been many recent cartoons of this decade that I've liked. Simpsons stopped being funny after its 10th season or so (but surprisingly, the movie was hilarious), Family Guy hit its peak at Season 3 then went downhill, and aside from Avatar, Nick hasn't had a good cartoon since the 90's. Probably my favorites of this decade are: Avatar, Samurai Jack, Justice League/JLU, Futurama, South Park, Ed/Edd/Eddy, and Teen Titans. Nothing else really interested me. 90's was the best decade for non-anime animation, IMHO. Heck, I would even argue that they beat anime that decade if it wasn't for some of my faves like Bebop and Eva belonging to that decade. But yeah, animation of any kind works for me, as long as it does well what it sets out to do. Comedies need to be genuinely funny, and serious cartoons need to have good story/characters. Unfortunately, fewer cartoons these days seem to pay attention to these things, and I only hope shows like the ones at the end of the second paragraph show future animators what they should try to achieve. |
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Boomerang Flash
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My search for animated titles to watch has largely been confined to anime for a while. My experiences with titles produced in Japan and in the Western countries have taught me that I am much more likely to find something I like by confining my search to anime rather than do a general search of animated titles. It is possible that my experiences give a mistaken impression of the current situation. It is probable that I am missing a large number of Western titles that I would have liked had I looked. However, I am not attempting to give critical justice to Western animation and Japanese animation as an art. I am attempting to find the next commercial product from which I expect to derive entertainment. The much greater ease of finding an anime--both because of the seemingly larger variety of subject matter and because of much more user friendly databases and forums--means that I am just going to look for another anime rather than an animated title in general.
The last Western animation I watched and liked was Teen Titans. I have heard a great many good things about The Clone Wars, but I missed the airing time(s) and never found the energy to dig it up. Avatar I found to be rather painful, mainly because it seemed like an injection of American cartoon tropes into a shounen action/adventure title of the physical/mystical type (yes, I am shallow enough to discriminate between Kamehameha and Wave Motion Cannon). The basis was something in which I lost interest, so it wasn't very appealing. |
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TheVok
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It may be worth mentioning ReBoot was made in Canada, by a combination of mostly Brits, Americans and Canadians. |
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gaminganimator
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The Pixar movies all for all ages, including adults. Some movies like Ratatouille and WALL-E may even appeal more to adults than children due to all of the formers' messages about cooking, or the latter's messages about the environment. These animated movies made outside of Japan are not as rare as you may think. |
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