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Oggers



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PostPosted: Thu Feb 27, 2025 1:08 pm Reply with quote
There really isn't anything else out there that's quite like Revolutionary Girl Utena. I'm not sure if I could call it one of my all-time favourite anime, exactly, but it's definitely the anime that's given me the most to think about in terms of its themes and character arcs. It's pretty telling that people still find new things to talk about regarding Utena over 20 years after it first aired.
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Cryssoberyl



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PostPosted: Thu Feb 27, 2025 1:46 pm Reply with quote
Great conversation, though I have always disagreed with the following:

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For the record, most people would not recommend watching the movie before the series. Adolescence is a retelling/pseudo-sequel that's borderline unintelligible without context from the show.


The movie is not a sequel, it is a fully alternate continuity of the type that was popular in multimedia franchises of the period, which would have multiple alternate versions of a story in different formats, with manga, TV Series, OVA, and Movie versions all separate continuities. (See Tenchi Muyo and Escaflowne for some other high-profile cases, among many other examples.)

I also disagree that the movie wants or needs details from the series plugged into it. In fact, I argue the opposite: that leaning on the series as a crutch leads you to misunderstand the key differences in setup the movie is presenting. I assure you that, dense and multilayered as it is, the movie is fully comprehensible as a coherent interlocking web of character motivation and interaction all on its own without "help" from running back to the series to fill what you perceive as gaps.

For this reason, I actually encourage people who've never consumed the franchise before to watch the movie first, while they can still enjoy and appreciate it independent of the dogma of the series with which people so zealously want to overlay the movie.

(Also no mention of the importance of Utena to the formation of modern yuri as a cohesive commercial enterprise, but that's as usual.)
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Engineering Nerd



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PostPosted: Thu Feb 27, 2025 2:18 pm Reply with quote
To be frank, as much as I love to recommend Utena to many new anime fans, I am not sure some of its plot points would sit well with modern audiences (you know which ones I mean. Maybe I shouldn’t, because Utena largely is till way of ahead of its time and has aged gracefully
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Dumas1



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PostPosted: Thu Feb 27, 2025 2:33 pm Reply with quote
I first watched Utena with a university anime club about twenty years ago. They'd started the series the previous semester, so I came in somewhere around halfway through the Black Rose arc if I'm remembering right. They may have capped it off with the movie towards the end of the school year. Yeah, there's a reason that club eventually stopped running anything longer than a single cour.

Anyway, I eventually bought the DVD sets and watched the entire series. Streaming wasn't a thing yet, so it's a major testament to how great the series is that I went to some lengths to see the whole thing. I grabbed the Blu-rays during some Rightstuf sale or other, so I'll probably get around to starting a rewatch of Utena after this current season ends.
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Hellsoldier



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PostPosted: Thu Feb 27, 2025 2:35 pm Reply with quote
Cryssoberyl wrote:


The movie is not a sequel, it is a fully alternate continuity of the type that was popular in multimedia franchises of the period, which would have multiple alternate versions of a story in different formats, with manga, TV Series, OVA, and Movie versions all separate continuities. (See Tenchi Muyo and Escaflowne for some other high-profile cases, among many other examples.)

I also disagree that the movie wants or needs details from the series plugged into it. In fact, I argue the opposite: that leaning on the series as a crutch leads you to misunderstand the key differences in setup the movie is presenting. I assure you that, dense and multilayered as it is, the movie is fully comprehensible as a coherent interlocking web of character motivation and interaction all on its own without "help" from running back to the series to fill what you perceive as gaps.

For this reason, I actually encourage people who've never consumed the franchise before to watch the movie first, while they can still enjoy and appreciate it independent of the dogma of the series with which people so zealously want to overlay the movie.

(Also no mention of the importance of Utena to the formation of modern yuri as a cohesive commercial enterprise, but that's as usual.)


It's Utena and Sailor Moon that contributed for Yuri's commercial solidification, despite Sailor Moon not being a centrally yuri affair (having, like, one couple).

With that said, I find the experience of watching the series, with its 39 episodes, to be mych better than the experience of watching the movie. Same as with Escaflowne (26 episodes, in that case).
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omiya



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PostPosted: Thu Feb 27, 2025 2:41 pm Reply with quote
Seeing a clip of the performance of 輪舞-revolution from Animelo Summer Live 2008 (Minori Chihara dueting with original singer Masami Okui) encouraged me to visit Japan and experience such live shows myself.
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Cryssoberyl



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PostPosted: Thu Feb 27, 2025 3:33 pm Reply with quote
Hellsoldier wrote:
It's Utena and Sailor Moon that contributed for Yuri's commercial solidification, despite Sailor Moon not being a centrally yuri affair (having, like, one couple).


Indeed. Utena, Sailor Moon, and of course, Maria-sama ga Miteru, are what I and others regard as the three founding pillars of modern yuri.
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