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Polycell
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Posted: Sun Nov 20, 2016 5:03 pm
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Drug abuse normally begins as a coping mechanism, but it quickly spirals into its own problem with its own destructive effects(eg, Mary abusing her child). Even if the original issue was resolved, drug abuse doesn't stop so easily. Alcohol also creates a chemical dependency, so a bad enough drunk will go through major withdrawal symptoms is they don't get their fix.
Punch Drunk Marc wrote: | Kind of expecting Tama to try and ditch them soon since she seems like the only level headed one. |
The minute Swim Swim ordered them to leave for the highway in order to kill other magical girls, you can see it in her eyes she doesn't seem likely to go along with the plan. Notice how she has nothing to do with the attack on Winterprison, despite having what just might be the best power to counter hers with.
Quote: | Also No, Swim Swim, seeing as how Ruler was dumb enough to let you four get the jump on her and kill her, I doubt should would have done better. In fact you all probably would have died if Ruler was in charge still. That or not go along with the plan. |
Despite betraying her, Swim Swim treats Ruler's every last word as received wisdom and her actions are still inspired by what she said. There's no reason for her to doubt that Ruler would've created a plan that succeeded in taking out Winterprison without getting one of the Peaky Angels killed. The comment also pairs the one she made before Sister Nana and Weiss Winterprison arrived: would she surpass Ruler?
killjoy_the wrote: | Nana, on the other hand, has done bugger all for how long now? You'd think seeing your loved one get stabbed would be your cue to up her powers, but I guess not. |
It's easy to think about that calmly outside of thing, but Nana's personality made it all but certain she'd break down. Switching immediately into battle mode would've been out of character.
v1cious wrote: | This show is so good, why does it have such low ratings? I love how literally everyone has a target on their back. |
I'd put it down to the dark magical girl genre being done a lot recently, so shows in it get judged extra harshly.
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killjoy_the
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Posted: Sun Nov 20, 2016 5:07 pm
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Polycell wrote: | Notice how she has nothing to do with the attack on Winterprison, despite having what just might be the best power to counter hers with. |
I thought the hole at the end was her doing - which made Winterprison obviously jump, thus getting exactly where Swim Swim was gonna swing.
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Tuor_of_Gondolin
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Posted: Sun Nov 20, 2016 5:33 pm
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Polycell wrote: | Drug abuse normally begins as a coping mechanism, but it quickly spirals into its own problem with its own destructive effects(eg, Mary abusing her child). Even if the original issue was resolved, drug abuse doesn't stop so easily. Alcohol also creates a chemical dependency, so a bad enough drunk will go through major withdrawal symptoms is they don't get their fix. |
Great Jumping Jehosaphat... this is like trying to herd cats. I know what alcoholism is and how it usually works. My Mom, bless her soul, gave me a direct and personal example of it. So, again, I only wanted to point out that there was probably something that caused Calamity Mary to become an alcoholic, and I doubt very much if that thing has been resolved, regardless of her current dependency on alcohol. This earlier issue may very well be a factor in why she is acting the way she is right now as alcoholism generally doesn't cause people to go on killing sprees. I'm curious if they'll address it, or just leave it at "she was a bad person and a bad mother", which is pretty much all we know about right now. I suppose this is mostly my fault for not having been clear enough about what I was trying to say and I'll try to do better next time.
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Blood-
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Posted: Sun Nov 20, 2016 5:54 pm
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killjoy_the wrote: |
Polycell wrote: | Notice how she has nothing to do with the attack on Winterprison, despite having what just might be the best power to counter hers with. |
I thought the hole at the end was her doing - which made Winterprison obviously jump, thus getting exactly where Swim Swim was gonna swing. |
Good catch. I hadn't noticed that but I went back and checked out that portion and I believe you are right. Not sure what would have made Winterprison's walls collapse other than a hole, with the possible exception that they were so heavy they caused the floor to buckle (that's assuming there is a basement to the structure which I don't think is common in buildings of that type in Japan).
@ Tour_of_Gondolin: I realize that you were only expressing your opinion and for what reason you were doing that, but you should also be aware that the question of whether alcoholism/drug addiction is a disease or not it a touchy one. So don't be surprised if in the course of expressing your particular opinion, you get some push back from people who actually consult medical authorities as opposed to someone who just decides he knows the answer based on anecdotal evidence. If you are not prepared for that, then I suggest keeping your opinion to yourself or in a situation where you are confident you won't offend other people.
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Polycell
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Posted: Sun Nov 20, 2016 7:13 pm
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Looking at the scene closely, it collapsed right after she punched the wall. Since she can only make straight barriers, the structure she made to capture the Peaky Angels become unstable, causing her to leap out from under the rubble and surrender the initiative to Swim Swim.
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Blood-
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Posted: Sun Nov 20, 2016 7:32 pm
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@ Polycell: yep, you're right. Sorry, killjoy_the ... you suck.
Actually, I'm glad Tama wasn't directly involved. Poor kid, I feel for her. She got boned right from the start, falling under the influence of Ruler. At least some of the other Magical Girls got some fun before the crap hit the fan. I don't think any of it has been fun for Tama at all.
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Uokel
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Posted: Mon Nov 21, 2016 2:58 am
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It's only going to turn worst from here so prepare yourself lol
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sailorsweeper
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Posted: Sat Nov 26, 2016 8:48 pm
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Quote: | I don't think any of it has been fun for Tama at all. |
If Tama had met Nana or Top Speed first before Ruler her life would have had some fun since those two are were the nicest of the earlier magical girls before Alice and Snow White arrived. They would have had some fun before Fav turned this in despair.
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FilthyCasual
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Posted: Sat Nov 26, 2016 9:35 pm
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You know, at first I thought Fav only needed 8 candidates to fight against the shadowy things from the beginning, but now I think he just likes seeing magical girls die.
And while Top Speed's inevitable death was tragic (damn you Swim Swim and your dramatic timing), Sister Nana's death was almost overwrought. Sobbing and despair was perfectly understandable, but moving to alcohol, drugs, and hanging herself with Winterprison's scarf in about a week? Did she have no family to cry/rely on? No other reason to live? Rather than making me feel sad I was more surprised that it happened.
At any rate, it seems like Yunael? figured out either Snow White's or Hardgore Alice's identity, so they're definitely not out of the line of fire. Speaking of Alice, it's nice to get a bit of rationale for why she stalks Snow White - respect for her ideals. Hopefully we get to see more of her backstory (death not included).
If F.a.v. wants the magical girl count down to four, I think Tama, Yunael?, and Alice will be the ones to die.
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Videogamep
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Posted: Sat Nov 26, 2016 9:45 pm
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This would have been the best episode yet if it hadn't tried to be dark again. Killing Top Speed like that felt like a waste of a good character (and continued the annoying pattern of flashback=death by the end of the next episode) and Nana's death felt like the writers just wanted to get rid of her. The action in it was a lot of fun, though, and Hardgore Alice's powers are still as cool as ever. I also liked Ripple's speech about what being a magical girl means. I just wish the show had more restraint with its darker parts.
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Edl01
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Posted: Sat Nov 26, 2016 9:45 pm
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I'll admit Sister Nana's death was a bit darker than I like from this show. As grim as it can get I mainly like MGRP for how completely ridiculous it is. The Calamity Mary fight was a lot of fun though and Swim Swim continues to be the best and most unpredictable characters of the bunch...to me at least...
When looking up peoples reaction to the episode earlier I ran into a few people saying how much they thought the episode/show sucked, and honestly as someone really enjoying MGRP the comment surprised me a lot. The expectations I had for this show have been met almost exactly, sure it didn't surpass them but the idea people went into this show expecting high-art kinda baffles me. It's far from my favorite show of the season, but not every show needs to try and be 3Gatsu Lion or Yuri on Ice and sometimes I just want to watch a shallow, fun action series.
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EmperorBrandon
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Posted: Sat Nov 26, 2016 10:08 pm
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FilthyCasual wrote: | At any rate, it seems like Yunael? figured out either Snow White's or Hardgore Alice's identity, so they're definitely not out of the line of fire. |
Yunael was the one killed by Winterprison. It's Minael there.
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HamoodSolid
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Posted: Sat Nov 26, 2016 11:47 pm
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SPOILERS ...
well , i knew top speed was going to die before the six months, I just didn't know when. This show is definitely my favorite so far as it IS still exceeding my expectations .
With the death of La Pucelle and top speed, it finally gave way for Snow white and Ripple to find their friendship ,but what does that mean for Alice? Is she going to die also?
Maybe that is what one of the twins meant when she said, she knew how to kill one of them(Snow or Alice) . Maybe she now knows where Alice lives and going to kill her while she is in her normal form or something .
Can't wait for next episode
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maximilianjenus
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Posted: Sat Nov 26, 2016 11:47 pm
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Videogamep wrote: | I just wish the show had more restraint with its darker parts. |
but then people would complain because the scenes do not blend well with the rest of the show, liek it's ahppening with sangatsu, there's just not pleasing everybody.
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Videogamep
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Posted: Sun Nov 27, 2016 12:22 am
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maximilianjenus wrote: |
Videogamep wrote: | I just wish the show had more restraint with its darker parts. |
but then people would complain because the scenes do not blend well with the rest of the show, liek it's ahppening with sangatsu, there's just not pleasing everybody. |
I don't think that would happen. I'm not saying for it to always be light, I just wish it would stop adding darker content for its own sake.
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