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JoshuaStChristopher
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I basically agree with your review. It was definitely an entertaining film, but the story was pretty lacking, in my opinion.
And I didn't like the CG armour suits. : ( Still, I thought the main problem was instead of just trying to wrap up loose ends (which it did well, for the most part), it also tried to give us too much of a different and new story. The historical stuff was fun, but FMA had such an interesting world, and watching Ed run around in 1920s Europe just felt too off with the feel of the TV series. I didn't like any of the villains very much, and Fritz Lang was a kind of WTS moment for me. : P On another note, the dub is fantastic. Better than the Japanese, for sure. |
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Joe Mello
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See, I don't think a lot of people will get that without knowing of the movie Metropolis--not the Tezuka flick (although there's some similarity), but the silent film set in the dystopic future. Since I've actually seen the movie (yay, Sci-Fi class), I actually find the use of Lang to be a little clever. I can see why the story could be lacking; a movie can't necessarily have the same twists and turns as a 52-episode series. It would behoove Adult Swim to air this during sweeps or whenever they do one of those Saturday movie binges. |
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JoshuaStChristopher
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Well, I don't see that as the case, necessarily. Maybe it can't have the same twists and turns, but the general feel and style, especially when dealing with the deeper, darker issues in the series, seems a bit absent. |
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Ashen Phoenix
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While I thought the review was sound and very insightful overall, I can't say I agree with the reviwer in regards to the declining quality/enjoy-ability of the film. Even speaking as a huge fan, I can't say I disliked any part of it.
While that's not to say I can't understand where they're coming from. The gypsies certainly do appear to come off as replacement gimmick for the people of Ishbal, and the less-than-explosive depth to the plotline can be seen as disappointing, as well as the seemingly-lack-luster action sequences. These views are all very valid, and I recognize how these aspects can be seen as such. I, personally, however, was thrilled and thoroughly loved the movie in its entirety. And I'm eagerly awaiting the chance to see the special OAV specials included in the Collector's Special Edition DVD. 
…So I wouldn't say I completely disregard any of the reviewer's points or remarks, quite the contrary, I respect the objective review, but I also disagree with them on some points (partially as a fan, of course). That's all. I enjoyed the review of Conqueror and am glad it was written so well. 
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Deltakiral
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Agreed, but I still love it as the end to one of my most beloved anime series. I really wished this had been a 3-4 part OAV so that more time could of been spent on other characters....but it didn't happen that way. I still love this series and movie did a good job bringing back most of things I love about FMA, it's just lacking in depth. But then again not many one and half hour movie ever compare to a 50 episode series. I can't wait for my LE to show up...I can't wait to see all the extras that come with it. |
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utawoutau
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At the end of the review, the writer notes that there is a drop in story quality with the series and the movie. I would argue that the drop in quality happened at the end of the series, and that it naturally impacted anything to come, including the movie.
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Zalis116
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 I didn't want to start this argument yet again, but from what I know of language and interactions with Japanese students, it seems to require a significant amount of studying, practice, and immersion to master all the various vowel sounds, consonant clusters, and other difficult points of English and other Western languages. But, since most Japanese sounds exist in our phonetic arsenal, I believe it shouldn't take extensive studying to get reasonably close pronunciation, as long as there's proper direction and a bit of effort from the VAs. So it's not so much of giving a "free pass" to the Japanese VAs -- different language, different standards.
And actually, most English dubs that are up to 2004-2006 standards do a decent enough job. It's just that some dubs do things like ignoring the original, making something up based on a surface glance at the name, or deciding, "eh, that name looks close enough to an English name, let's change it." (I'll forgive the Anglicization of Midori in Midori Days, since we're somewhat familiar with the word from imported beer/liquor.) And for all the faults in pronouncing "Edowaado Eruriku" etc. in the Japanese dub, at least they keep it consistent in how all the characters say his name. (That's assuming my memory serves me right, as it's been awhile since I watched FMA.) Contrast this to something like the English dub of Comic Party: Revolution, where some characters say [mihzuki] and others say [meezuki]. Which one is it, Director? |
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elsie
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The name thing does bother me, even though yes, I know Japanese is different. I remember watching the Japanese track of Trigun and finding the pronunciation of Wolfwood to be utterly unrecognizable, and shows like FMA in which most of the names are non-Asian are the ones I'm most likely to watch in English for that reason.
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hanachan01
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I'm suprised the various plotholes in this movie weren't mentioned. While I found the movie interesting and enjoyable, there were many annoying plotholes as well. First off, spoiler[how do you open the gate from the real world side, where there is no alchemy?] Also, spoiler[How do you destory the gate? Blow it up? It's even more confusing from the real world side] Also, I felt that the Noah character was too reminiscent of Rose, but without a personality. I love Heidrich though, I thought the fact that he cared for Ed was very similar to Al, but the way he cared was different, which I liked. spoiler[Too bad he died
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Otherwise, it was an interesting movie, and I liked that they put in the effort to make it as realistic as possible. I heard that Seiji Mizushima even went to Germany before production! |
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Deltakiral
Posts: 3338 Location: Glendora, CA (Avatar Hei from Darker than BLACK) |
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Correct the LE version comes out on November 14 I heard that it's suppose to be like a book. Where the DVD sits on one side and there is hardback book in the middle. I am looking forward to getting my in November..... |
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Key
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Have to agree with you on Noah vs. Rose, although Noah's lack of comparative personality development can be attributed to time factors. (Rose appeared prominently in several TV episodes, Noah was around for only a fraction of the overall 1:40 movie time.) As for your second spoiler point, I agree that the movie skipped around dealing with that issue, probably because the writers couldn't figure out how to explain it. Zallis116: Although I know I didn't make that clear in the review, my comment about the pronounciations was referring more to the way sub fans nitpick on even the tiniest thing on pronounciation of names, not the gross cases where anyone would notice. And since hard-core sub fans nitpick so thoroughly, I don't let seiyuu off the hook just for language sound/structure differences, as I've heard Japanese actors who can pronounce American names quite well. But that's really a minor point overall, and I agree, not worth starting a big debate about. I'm still convinced the English dub is better even discounting the pronounciation thing. |
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ryusaki
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Is it just me or Does any one see a 2nd Movie....and They take on Hitler...
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halochief_90
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This review was quite timely, actually. Having just bought the movie this mourning, it's nice to see a review that's (mostly) on the good side.
However, since FMA is still airing on YTV in Canada at about episode 30, I haven't seen the whole series yet, so I only read a few paragraphs where it didn't seem likely there would be a spoiler (and I survived!). Speaking of that, when I bought the movie, I didn't even read the back of DVD, I just threw it into a drawer where I'll remember where I left it! That packaging won't be unraveled 'til February or something of next year! I never heard of this LE of the movie, but Wal-Mart (pretty much the only store, where I live, that sells anime!) would never get it anyway. For what it's worth, the last four paragraphs of the review (the part I read) were great! |
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Ashen Phoenix
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Yeah. I really think the LE is the way to go. Even though you have to wait longer for it (which I know no one wants to do), but it's worth it since it comes with the extras and the like. 'course, if you're not up to paying extra for the bounus materials, then you're better off getting the normal version. That's my opinion anyway.  (it's awesome either way)
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Mini_Alquemist
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English Dub surpassed the japanese dub!
It's unusual, but the dub did an excellent job  (I'm still a fan of the Japanese version )
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