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Tris8
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Dang. I keep intending to vote early, but then before I know it it's the weekend and then past the weekend...
Group A-17 Fakir, Princess Tutu vs. Piccolo Jr.,, Dragonball franchise Piccolo isn't a push-over but Fakir's development is more complex and layered than Piccolo's. Group A-18 Sawako Kuronuma, Kimi ni Todoke – From Me to You vs. Eva Heinemann, Monster Sawako's improvement is so well done. In magnitude she may lose to Eva, but her struggle to be the best person she can and to learn to make friends is really touching. So powerful is her will to change herself that it touches other characters (like Kurumi) who are inspired to be the best they can be. Group A-19 Yukino Miyazawa, His and Her Circumstances vs. Taichi Mashima, Chihiyafuru Some people are voting against Yukino because they think her development is done in the first couple episodes. This is not so. She makes her initial decision to change in ep 3 or 4 I think, and even after she commits to being her own person, she still falls to temptation sometimes until the story is in the teens. Her transformation is a difficult one, but like Sawako's inspires people around her, particularly Arima. She definitely has my vote. Group A-20 Daikichi Kawachi, Bunny Drop vs. Clare, Claymore Clare. A plain-faced anti-Daikichi vote. I don't see any improvement in him, and even though I am unfamiliar with Clare it sounds like she does quite a bit. |
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Aylinn
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That's why I made a long post to explain why in my opinion Eve's development is not forced. In my opinion it's Sawako's development that is not convincing. Sawako is conveniently kept in a state of ignorance that Kazehaya likes her. I read some chapters of the manga in the past and her obliviousness mostly stems from the fact that for some unfathomable reason she manages to misinterpret things time and time again. Moreover, Kazehaya even clearly confesses to her and says he likes her, but Sawako, of course, misinterprets it and thinks that he only wants to say he doesn't hate her. For me Sawako's development is handled badly. Not only does it come to a standstill, when it's convenient for the plot, so that she and Kazehaya will not get together to early, but also the whole situation with Kazehaya makes her look not shy, but dense. |
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marie-antoinette
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Updated tally!
Group A-17 Fakir, 13 vs. Piccolo Jr.,, 1 Group A-18 Sawako Kuronuma, 9 vs. Eva Heinemann, 5 Group A-19 Yukino Miyazawa, 6 vs. Taichi Mashima, 8 Group A-20 Daikichi Kawachi, 6 vs. Clare, 8 So, of the four new votes, Fakir and Sawako got all of them. And Yukino got three, which makes that match significantly more competitive. Pretty obvious that Fakir is going to win his group but the other three could really go either way at this point, which should lead to an interesting night (I have a feeling I may be staying up till midnight again to see the official results). |
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Crisha
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Will I be coming in at 5 minutes before the deadline again? Considering I have a homework assignment due by midnight, it's quite possible! And why wouldn't I want to continue a growing tradition by now? It'd cramp my style.
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Dorcas_Aurelia
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Group A-17
Fakir, Princess Tutu vs. Piccolo Jr., Dragonball franchise vs. Voting for: Fakir Newcomers to Princess Tutu often find Fakir unlikeable in the early episodes, on account of his domineering attitude, his contempt for everyone else in the series, and his generally bitter attitude. Even just this personality shift alone would make him a strong contender in this tournament, but he's also got the adjustment of his meta-fictional role in the story, as well as overcoming rightfully crippling fears of failure and death. Group A-18 Sawako Kuronuma, Kimi ni Todoke – From Me to You vs. Eva Heinemann, Monster Voting for: Sawako Some good arguments have been made for Sawako, so I'm giving her the benefit of the doubt. I don't recall feeling Eva's change was too sudden, as some people believe, and being a matured adult, her flaws have a greater sense of inertia to overcome than Sawako's, but I'll support the apparently somewhat wider breadth of Sawako's growth. Group A-19 Yukino Miyazawa, His and Her Circumstances vs. Taichi Mashima, Chihiyafuru Voting for: Taichi I believe like others that Yukino's growth comes to a sudden completion early on (her relationship with Arima regularly throws new little challenges at her), but it's impossible to deny the bulk of it, and the most important aspects, are done with just a handful of episodes into the show. Again, I'm throwing my support behind a show I haven't seen. Group A-20 Daikichi Kawachi, Bunny Drop vs. Clare, Claymore Voting for: Clare Much of the support for Daikichi seems to be on account of the originality of the situation as much as his change. There's only limited indication that he was genuinely irresponsible before taking Rin under his care. I'm more swayed by Clare's ordeal and her ultimate decision as to how to cope with the most tragic event of her life. |
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Olliff
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Group A-17
Fakir, Princess Tutu vs. Piccolo Jr.,, Dragonball franchise Fakir seems like the clear choice. His improvement is far more complex and multidimensional compared to the strong, but fairly simple improvement affecting Piccolo. Group A-18 Sawako Kuronuma, Kimi ni Todoke – From Me to You vs. Eva Heinemann, Monster Sawako's improvement has near perfect execution. Eva is quite strong too, but the message behind Sawako's change is simply stronger yet - the pursuit to live up to your fullest potential. Eva is mainly an ice queen who does make a quite turnaround effort, but I also feel that Sawako feels stronger because much more time is used to develop her compared to Eva. Group A-19 Yukino Miyazawa, His and Her Circumstances vs. Taichi Mashima, Chihiyafuru Yes, she does make sizable improvement in the early episodes, but I still believe Yukino's improvement is stronger if you look at the before and after especially when compared to Taichi. Taichi's past improvement is more the case of him growing up and like others have mention in the second season he seem quite stagnant and erratically consistent with his improvement. His confidence wavers occasionally, and his goals continue to elude him. Especially, in the more recent second season episode he seems more distant and distracted which doesn't do favors in terms of improvement. Even his role as leader as lessened slightly when another character had to step in make a tough call that the conflicted Taichi could not make. For every few steps he takes forward, a few more seem to be taken backwards. I also can't help to feel on an emotional level things remain unchanging, especially with the unresolved questions surrounding the relationship between him and our lead character. Group A-20 Daikichi Kawachi, Bunny Drop vs. Clare, Claymore Both seems quite deserving. Clare seems like the more traditional improvement, but I am going to vote for Daikichi for equality's sake and the fact that some are discounting his more consistent, but subtle and realistic changes. Daikichi's changes seem more credible given the circumstances while Clare's take a while to gain this solidity. |
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Beltane70
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That's still my spot! |
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CrowLia
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^ Enjoy it while you can, I may very well steal it from you in the not-so-distant future
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Key
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Hmmm, 22 minutes left and only 16 votes in so far. How many buzzer-beaters will we have? Or is this just going to be a light week for voting?
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farichada
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Group A-17
Fakir, Princess Tutu vs. Piccolo Jr.,, Dragonball franchise Unlikable, overbearing and just a straight-up jerk at the start, Fakir slowly makes a dramatic personality adjustment for the better to the point where you start wanting to almost root for him. Another strength is that his improvement is paramount to the thematic nature of the series and fits in quite nicely. Group A-18 Sawako Kuronuma, Kimi ni Todoke – From Me to You vs. Eva Heinemann, Monster Eva has the slight edge for me for making the bigger impact. You also have to remember that Eva is much older and stuck in her ways initially making her change more difficult to obtain in the first place. That being said, Sawako's improvement is heart wrenching and quite significant as well. I wouldn't mind supporting her later depending on who she faces. Group A-19 Yukino Miyazawa, His and Her Circumstances vs. Taichi Mashima, Chihiyafuru As someone who is currently watching the second season of Chihayafuru, Taichi has recently been quite frustrating to watch. He doubts himself, he is indecisive, and his character has been surprisingly flat recently compared to how much other characters have grown. Sure his very early progress makes him a contender, but I can't help to but feel that his second season performance will be his unmaking despite how much of a fan I am of him. It's strange to see him falter when he seems like he is the most likely to succeed in terms of personality, discipline and philosophy while much more unlikely people seem to be flourishing. Yukino Group A-20 Daikichi Kawachi, Bunny Drop vs. Clare, Claymore Well, I don't know Clare horribly well, and I feel that Daikichi's improvement is definitely there. It is nice watching someone not only become a more mature and responsible adult, but to see him feel to void that he didn't know he had until he took on Rin. Clare from the arguments seems by the books, but I don't feel compelled from them to vote for something that is largely an unknown to me. Last edited by farichada on Mon Apr 01, 2013 11:00 pm; edited 3 times in total |
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Crisha
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MWAHAHAHA!!
Group A-17 Fakir, Princess Tutu vs. Piccolo Jr.,, Dragonball franchise Vote: Fakir He is one of my top contenders, along with Youko. How he defines himself, how he treats those around him, how he approaches his issues all gradually change throughout the course of the show. He's an unlikeable, domineering jerk at the beginning who slowly moves beyond his fear of death and his fear of his role in life and becomes a gentle, caring guy willing to support one who he once considered an enemy. Group A-18 Sawako Kuronuma, Kimi ni Todoke – From Me to You vs. Eva Heinemann, Monster Vote: Eva Oh, wow, this is the hardest one to vote for this round because they're such complete opposites: one with too little ego vs. one with too much ego. And both can be so hard to improve upon. I think I'm going to do something a little different and vote for the one I don't quite relate with as much (because I'm feeling contrary for some reason). I think both deserve to go on to the next round. Group A-19 Yukino Miyazawa, His and Her Circumstances vs. Taichi Mashima, Chihiyafuru Vote: Taichi I have only seen the first 5 episodes of KareKano and everything up to the latest episodes of the second season of Chihayafuru. Yukino left a pretty strong impression on me from what I've seen. But Taichi has left an even stronger impression. Yukino's growth seems to more be about accepting herself and being more honest with other and letting them get to know what she's truly like. Taichi's efforts to improve himself in karuta have demonstrated mental road blocks and self-deprecating thoughts he has overcome. While both can be nerve-wracking and hard (and I've done a bit of both), I think overcoming your own lack of self-confidence and negative thoughts about your abilities and goals is the tougher road to follow, especially if you're a pessimist or realist (which is what Taichi is). Group A-20 Daikichi Kawachi, Bunny Drop vs. Clare, Claymore Vote: Daikichi This one is actually pretty tough as well. I actually flipped between the two a couple of times. Daikichi's change is easier to relate to while Clare's is more dramatic. I think the simplicity of Daikichi's change leaves a stronger impact on me though because it's easier to relate to. |
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The Naked Beast
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Group A-17
Fakir, Princess Tutu vs. Piccolo Jr.,, Dragonball franchise A lot good has been said about Fakir. Overcoming his childhood incident is also a plus for him. My vote goes to: Fakir. Group A-18 Sawako Kuronuma, Kimi ni Todoke – From Me to You vs. Eva Heinemann, Monster Her improvement is a sight to see. Going from the class outcast to a easygoing, friendly girl is amazing. She overcame her image problem by opening up to people who would turn out to be some of her best friends.. My vote goes to: Sawako Kuronuma. Group A-19 Yukino Miyazawa, His and Her Circumstances vs. Taichi Mashima, Chihiyafuru I have seen immense support for Chihiyafuru and its characters. It does not help when you have not seen the show. I am going by the character guide and the praise for the show and characters. My vote goes to: Taichi Mashima. Group A-20 Daikichi Kawachi, Bunny Drop vs. Clare, Claymore Daikichi is a great character who made a big decision when no one else would. He would soon "grow up" again. Raising a child by yourself is a huge task but Daikichi has been doing well with some help. My vote goes to: Daikichi Kawachi. |
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farichada
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I forgot to bold my votes - I swear I was on time even if I was characteristically last minute. Last minute I am, but late I am not. I was an idiot who was fixing other typos rather than making sure I included my choices in bold. Plus I am not even sure if the edit was late or not.
And one last thing I wanted to LOL at all the down to the wire votes. I cast my votes with 2 minutes to spare and two more people sneak their votes in. I guess this is my fault for allowing a whole 2 minutes and not waiting for the last 30 seconds left like I did last week. |
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Key
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Round 3 Group A is now closed.
With a mere 19 votes in (our lowest total so far!), the results: A-17: Fakir dances around Piccolo Jr. like he's standing still, 18-1. A-18: Sawaka Kuronuma bests Eva Heinemann, 12-7. A-19: Taichi pulls a card-swipe trick to hold out against Yukino, 11-8. A-20: Daikichi dramatically comes from behind to edge out Clare at the buzzer, 10-9. Fakir was the only contestant who had an easy time. Sawako used a run of nine straight votes at one point to surge ahead from an early deficit and Taichi established an early lead on Yukino but could never finish her off. The most dramatic one was A-20, which was a match of runs. Clare had three in a row, then Daikichi had five in a row, then Clare had a 6-1 run, then Daikichi took the last four (including three with two minutes to go!) to barely pull out the win. And that's the one whose final result really, really irks me. I have seen both of those series in full and am absolutely convinced that we got the wrong result there. In looking back, only a couple of those who voted for Daikichi gave any indication that they had actually seen Claymore. I think entirely too many people got too hung up on the supposed "novelty" of Daikichi's improvement vs. Clare's supposedly "ordinary" improvement and didn't use a comparison of actual merit. Whatever. I'm sure that run of three votes in the last two minutes bailed out quite a few minigame entries, as it probably sinks mine. And until that point I was feeling quite happy that I was going to hit a 4/4 and possibly gain ground on or even bypass some of those ahead of me, too. 
Next Group should be up in a few. |
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Vaisaga
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Piccolo deserved more votes, but... well...
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