Forum - View topicMost Improved Character Tournament: Post-Mortem
|
Goto page Previous Next |
| Author | Message | |||
|---|---|---|---|---|
|
Key
Moderator
 Posts: 18584 Location: Indianapolis, IN (formerly Mimiho Valley) |
|
|||
It's hardly like Gaara suddenly flipped a switch and became a different person, though. In the series' timeline, months apparently passed between their fight and when we see Gaara again, so Gaara had plenty of time to think about it, and he was really only trending in a better direction at that point IIRC. The ultimate result of his change didn't come about until after the three-year time skip between the two series. Besides, I don't see what's so entirely implausible about a person's life being radically turned around by one conversation. I've heard of innumerable cases of this happening IRL; that's practically the essence of what having an epiphany is, isn't it? |
||||
|
||||
Vaisaga
 Posts: 13246 |
|
|||
|
Besides, at the moment we're comparing Gaara to some one who improved over a few days because he was taught by some animals. That's even more ridiculous if you ask me.
|
||||
|
||||
|
Keichitsu0305
|
|
|||
|
Group A-1
Ayaka Steiger, Kurau Pahntom Memory Saw (then dropped) Vampire Knight and currently watching Kurau. Group A-2 Chi, Chobits Saw (then dropped) Vandread and completed Chobits. Group A-3 Eureka, Eureka 7 Never watched Angel Beats and I watched (then dropped) Eureka 7. Group A-4 Gauche, Gauche the Cellist Never watched Naruto and I completed Gauche the Cellist. Group A-5 Haruko Kamio, Air Never watched Rumbling Hearts or Air so this was a toss-up. Group A-6 Hiei, Yu Yu Hakusho Completed both Inuyasha and Yu Yu Hakusho but I find Hiei's improvement more significant than Inuyasha's. Group A-7 Jean Valjean, Les Miserables Shoujo Cosette Never seen Les Miserables Shoujo Cosette and I have seen (then dropped) Accel World so another toss-up. Group A-8 Clare, Claymore Completed Claymore and never watched Ground Control to Psychoelectic Girl. |
||||
marie-antoinette
 Posts: 4136 Location: Ottawa, Canada |
|
|||
|
Keichitsu0305, I sort of hope there's a bit more to your reasoning than just whether you've seen a show or not. Yes, other people have used the same reasoning but not for every single choice.
Anyway, assuming my math is right, here is a tally: Group A-1 Aido Hanabusa, Vampire Knight - 5 Ayaka Steiger, Kurau Pahntom Memory - 19 Group A-2 Bart Garsus, Vandread - 11 Chi, Chobits - 13 Group A-3 Ayato Naoi, Angel Beats! - 4 Eureka, Eureka 7 - 20 Group A-4 Gaara, Naruto franchise - 18 Gauche, Gauche the Cellist - 6 Group A-5 Haruka Suzumiya, Rumbling Hearts - 14 Haruko Kamio, Air - 10 Group A-6 Inuyasha, Inuyasha franchise - 11 Hiei, Yu Yu Hakusho - 13 Group A-7 Jean Valjean, Les Miserables Shoujo Cosette - 14 Haruyuki Arita, Accel World - 10 Group A-8 Clare, Claymore - 23 Erio Touwa, Ground Control to Psychoelectic Girl - 1 So a few that are probably pretty much decided at this point but there are a number that are still quite close. Should be interesting to see what happens between now and when the voting concludes. |
||||
|
||||
|
Keichitsu0305
|
|
|||
There is but this portion of the Tournament doesn't have many characters from shows that I have completed (or had bothered to watch for this Tournament) to justify my choices. In Group A-5, for example, I have seen neither series so I simply read the information provided. From there, I choose which character, in my perspective, had shown the most convincing improvement which, in this case, was Haruko from Air. Same with shows that I have only watched a few episodes but then dropped due to lack of interest in the series as a whole (i.e Accel World, Euerka 7, Vampire Knight etc.) I felt that if I haven't completed the series/film, then I can't appropriately judge whether or not the character from that series/film is worth my vote so I'll use the info provided. I don't want to vote based on popular opinion but I have seen for myself. Ex. Gaara in Group A-4 is the most popular choice but I've never seen the show so why should I vote for character when I haven't seen his/her improvement? Sure, Gauche will lose but, from what I have seen, he's the better choice. As the Tournament gets smaller and smaller, I will be able to deliver a stronger defense of my choices but, temporarily, m choices will be based on whether or not I have witness it myself. |
||||
|
Key
Moderator
Posts: 18584 Location: Indianapolis, IN (formerly Mimiho Valley) |
|
|||
|
Yes, you're going to need to put more of an effort in on at least one of your picks next time around.
|
||||
|
||||
ccdx
 Posts: 312 |
|
|||
|
Group A-1
Aido Hanabusa, Vampire Knight vs. Ayaka Steiger, Kurau Pahntom Memory Ayaka Group A-2 Bart Garsus, Vandread vs. Chi, Chobits Chi Group A-3 Ayato Naoi, Angel Beats! vs. Eureka, Eureka 7 Voting for Eureka. Ayato Naoi had good development and improvement of his character, but it was very quick and not as deep as Eureka's. She was pretty bland at the beginning, but improved greatly, thanks in part to a longer series overall. Group A-4 Gaara, Naruto franchise vs. Gauche, Gauche the Cellist Gaara Group A-5 Haruka Suzumiya, Rumbling Hearts vs. Haruko Kamio, Air Haruko Kamio Group A-6 Inuyasha, Inuyasha franchise vs. Hiei, Yu Yu Hakusho Hiei Group A-7 Jean Valjean, Les Miserables Shoujo Cosette vs. Haruyuki Arita, Accel World Jean Valjean Group A-8 Clare, Claymore vs. Erio Touwa, Ground Control to Psychoelectic Girl Clare is easily the strongest contender in this round. I very much enjoyed watching her journey from a lowly unknown fighter to arguably the strongest Claymore of them all. I just wish they'd make another season?? |
||||
|
||||
A Mystery
 Posts: 1889 Location: Netherlands |
|
|||
|
Group A-1
Aido Hanabusa, Vampire Knight vs. Ayaka Steiger, Kurau Phantom Memory Voting for: Ayaka Steiger Group A-2 Bart Garsus, Vandread vs. Chi, Chobits Voting for: Bart Gerseus Yes, Chi got a personality. All children start out with little personality and develop one along the way, based on what they experience in combination with their genes. I find it hard to vote for her when much of her growth is something every person should/would learn. It's much harder to improve yourself after you've developed a personality, like Bart did. Group A-3 Ayato Naoi, Angel Beats! vs. Eureka, Eureka 7 Voting for: Ayato Naoi Group A-4 Gaara, Naruto franchise vs. Gauche, Gauche the Cellist Voting for: Gaara Gaara went from a hurt child who turned into a psychopath, to a friendly, responsible leader who protects people. That's more impressive to me than Gauche, who improves in skill rather than personality. Group A-5 Haruka Suzumiya, Rumbling Hearts vs. Haruko Kamio, Air Voting for: Haruka Suzumiya Haruka showed real strength as a character to accept the way things were and move on with her life. Group A-6 Inuyasha, Inuyasha franchise vs. Hiei, Yu Yu Hakusho Voting for: Hiei If I had any doubts about this, Aylinn would've blown them away. Group A-7 Jean Valjean, Les Miserables Shoujo Cosette vs. Haruyuki Arita, Accel World Voting for: Jean Valjean Hey, I actually saw the movie Les Mis on Saturday, what a coincidence. His character has improved drastically in the movie, that I can say. I haven't seen either series though so I'm not in the position to make a fair judgement. Group A-8 Clare, Claymore vs. Erio Touwa, Ground Control to Psychoelectic Girl Voting for: Clare |
||||
|
||||
|
marie-antoinette
Posts: 4136 Location: Ottawa, Canada |
|
|||
That's why we have the guide. There are only two shows in this round I have seen to completion and two others I have a passing familiarity with. So I read about them in the guide and made the best choice I could based on what was written there. And I ultimately voted against Aido from Vampire Knight, despite it being one of my favourite anime. |
||||
|
||||
|
Redbeard 101
Oscar the Grouch
Forums Superstar  Posts: 16974 |
|
|||
He IMHO doesn't TRULY change for good and truly become a different person until the Sand village is attacked after the time skip, Once it's attacked and the ensuing.....dialog and results of said attack (don't wanna give away spoilers) Gaara sees what his friends and the village think of him. I think that is what ultimately makes his change permanent and shows him what he's been thinking and feeling over time since his fight with Naruto holds merit. So yea, it's not a quick flip of a switch at all. |
||||
|
||||
Dorcas_Aurelia
 Posts: 5344 Location: Philly |
|
|||
|
Group A-1
Aido Hanabusa, Vampire Knight vs. Ayaka Steiger, Kurau Pahntom Memory Voting for: Ayaka Ayaka grows significantly as a character over the course of Kurau, while, judging by the write-up for Aido, it's not so much a personality shift as just becoming closer to the protagonist. Also, there are a couple votes actively against Aido, and I think the one person who is stated to have seen both chose her. Group A-2 Bart Garsus, Vandread vs. Chi, Chobits Voting for: Bart Chi's growth may be greater overall and through a more gradual process, but the end result doesn't stick with me so much as her limited-vocabulary simple-minded early image. The unexpectedness and strength of Bart's transformation sticks with me more. Group A-3 Ayato Naoi, Angel Beats! vs. Eureka, Eureka 7 Voting for: Eureka Naota's change from evil villain to loyal follower is an improvement in character, for certain, but after that character arc is done, he's mostly used as simple comic relief. Group A-4 Gaara, Naruto franchise vs. Gauche, Gauche the Cellist Voting for: Gaara In lieu of a compelling explanation of how we're supposed to take woodland animals teaching a be to play classical cello more seriously than a gradual shift from villain to hero in a SJ series, I'm going with Gaara. (Read: more posts as to why Gauche is deserving rather than why Gaara isn't might have worked better). Group A-5 Haruka Suzumiya, Rumbling Hearts vs. Haruko Kamio, Air Voting for: Haruka Suzumiya (Rumbling Hearts) Haven't seen either. Slight edge in arguments this way. Group A-6 Inuyasha, Inuyasha franchise vs. Hiei, Yu Yu Hakusho Voting for: Inuyasha I know of both series, but not much beyond that. I was leaning towards Hiei, because more people I know prefer YYH to IY, but Psycho's post in Inuyasha's defense earned my vote. Group A-7 Jean Valjean, Les Miserables Shoujo Cosette vs. Haruyuki Arita, Accel World Voting for: Haruyuki Valjean's character doesn't seem to be as in need of improvement as Haruyuki's, considering that his misfortune begins on account of a fairly noble act, and when "rock bottom" is stealing from those who can afford the loss, that's hardly the lowest of lows (morally speaking). Group A-8 Clare, Claymore vs. Erio Touwa, Ground Control to Psychoelectic Girl Voting for: Clare As much as it pains me to vote against one of my nominations, Clare is undoubtedly the better choice here. While the growth of both characters here involves reconnecting with their humanity, Clare has to come farther on account of her deliberately choosing to become a monster in pursuit of revenge before turning back. Also, Clare's redemption is fairly complete in the anime, whereas Erio still has room for improvement at the end of her series. |
||||
|
||||
|
Key
Moderator
Posts: 18584 Location: Indianapolis, IN (formerly Mimiho Valley) |
|
|||
|
Just to be clear here, the round is over in approx. 6.5 hours from the time of this post.
With 27 votes in, I'd say that A-2 and A-6 are definitely close enough to be undecided, while A-5 and A-7 are mathematically still in play (assuming that we get the typical rush of 5-7 late votes). |
||||
|
||||
WhiteHairGirls
 Posts: 4713 Location: New York City |
|
|||
|
Group A-1
Aido Hanabusa, Vampire Knight vs. Ayaka Steiger, Kurau Pahntom Memory Voting for Ayaka Group A-2 Bart Garsus, Vandread vs. Chi, Chobits Voting for Chi Group A-3 Ayato Naoi, Angel Beats! vs. Eureka, Eureka 7 Voting for Eureka. Group A-4 Gaara, Naruto franchise vs. Gauche, Gauche the Cellist Voting for Gaara Gaara made a huge improvement throughout the series. He went from a being that only cared about killing others to a being that would sacrifice himself to protect the people he cares about. When the Akatsuki attacked his village, he did everything in his power to protect the sand village. Group A-5 Haruka Suzumiya, Rumbling Hearts vs. Haruko Kamio, Air Voting for Haruka Suzumiya Sure she was in a coma for most of the series, but she made a vast improvement. She was your typical shy anime girl that made no decisions for herself. She was a weak character at first. But that changed when she got over her relationship with Takayuki. She then went on her own path and pursued her dreams. Group A-6 Inuyasha, Inuyasha franchise vs. Hiei, Yu Yu Hakusho Voting for Inuyasha Group A-7 Jean Valjean, Les Miserables Shoujo Cosette vs. Haruyuki Arita, Accel World Voting for Jean Valjean Group A-8 Clare, Claymore vs. Erio Touwa, Ground Control to Psychoelectic Girl Voting for Clare Erio was a cute character, but Clare is too much for her. |
||||
|
||||
|
dtm42
Posts: 14084 Location: currently stalking my waifu |
|
|||
|
Group A-1
Aido Hanabusa, Vampire Knight vs. Ayaka Steiger, Kurau Pahntom Memory Vote For: Ayaka I haven't watched Vampire Knight (though I believe I do own it, funnily enough), and the write-up is not convincing enough to make me vote for Aido. I know Ayaka, and even though she isn't the strongest of contenders she is pretty good, so I'll vote for her. Group A-2 Bart Garsus, Vandread vs. Chi, Chobits Vote For: Chi Well, she does go from doll to actually having a personality, so yeah . . . Group A-3 Ayato Naoi, Angel Beats! vs. Eureka, Eureka 7 Vote For: Eureka Group A-4 Gaara, Naruto franchise vs. Gauche, Gauche the Cellist Vote For: Gaara Gaara's improvement thanks to Naruto showing him that living with a fox isn't all so bad was enough to win him my vote . . . for now. Group A-5 Haruka Suzumiya, Rumbling Hearts vs. Haruko Kamio, Air Vote For: Haruko Kamio Newsflash; Haruka spends most of the series spoiler[in a coma] and so I can't really call that legitimate improvement. Group A-6 Inuyasha, Inuyasha franchise vs. Hiei, Yu Yu Hakusho Vote For: Hiei Group A-7 Jean Valjean, Les Miserables Shoujo Cosette vs. Haruyuki Arita, Accel World Vote For: Haruyuki This is the easiest one of the round. I'm basing my vote on the enormity of how much Haruyuki changes. He goes from bullied wimp to a badarse, and it's pretty believable too. Group A-8 Clare, Claymore vs. Erio Touwa, Ground Control to Psychoelectic Girl Vote For: Clare I've seen both of these. Erio didn't really change all that much, even if her illusion was sort of broken, whereas Clare kind of did. I say "kind of" because once she was a Claymore she didn't show much improvement, but it was enough. |
||||
|
||||
|
Key
Moderator
Posts: 18584 Location: Indianapolis, IN (formerly Mimiho Valley) |
|
|||
|
Round 1 Group A is now closed.
Hmmm. Expected a couple more votes late; guess a couple of long-timers either got careless or chose not to join us for this tournament. Oh, well. With 29 votes in, the results: A-1: Ayaka Steiger stomps Aido Hanabusa, 24-5. A-2: Chi holds on against Bart Garsus, 16-13. A-3: Eureka shoots down Ayato Naoi, 24-5. A-4: Gaara deals a Sand Coffin to Gauche, 23-6. A-5: Haruka Suzumiya outlasts Haruko, 17-12. A-6: Hiei strikes down Inuyasha, 16-13. A-7: Jean Valjean defeats Haruyuki, 17-12. A-8: Clare obliterates Erio, 28-1, for the most lopsided victory of this Group. A-5 and A-7 were close until late, while A-2 and A-6 were back-and-forth the would round. The rest were never remotely close. Next round should go up shortly. |
||||
|
||||
 |
All times are GMT - 5 Hours |
|
|
|
Powered by phpBB © 2001, 2005 phpBB Group