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This is what's so disgusting. The aim of these sort of laws has little if anything to do with piracy, and certainly no impact toward eliminating it. What's desired is to force honest people to keep spending money again and again on a product they should own permanently. |
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ikillchicken
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Agreed. All this law does is punish those who actually bought the content legitimately. |
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Gilles Poitras
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And how is that? If you bought a DVD you own it. How does the law punish you? |
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mangamuscle
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If you make security copies of your own DVDs you can be punished thanks to this law, so if you have an accident of after some years your disc decays and can no longer be seen, THEY want you to buy a new copy. |
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Kids and critters can make for a very short lifespan when it comes to optical media, or really anything for that matter. Even when the disc remains intact, finding something to play it on 20 or 30 years down the road is going to be difficult. It seems it would also apply to DRM for digital distribution, which has cost me a small fortune on content that's now completely unplayable, and in some cases only lasted for a few months at most. |
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Kikaioh
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You really think the reasoning behind this legislation is to force consumers to buy multiple copies of media products? And that this law has little to do with piracy itself? 
TBH, it just sounds silly.  I can't imagine a corporate figurehead rubbing his hands evilly thinking to himself "yesss, now customers will be forced to buy two copies of Rumble in the Bronx!" It's much easier imagining a corporate figurehead thinking "if we outlaw breaking digital protection, that's a step in the process of preventing online distribution of our content." To me, the latter seems a lot more likely than the former.
I personally have VHS cassettes that are almost 15 years old now that still work fine, and DVDs last even longer, without play degradation at that. And even if they're scuffed, they're easy enough to clean with the right equipment. Honestly, it sounds like you just need to take better care of your belongings. 
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mangamuscle
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YMMV, I was witness when a friend put a DVD he had not played in years on his player and nothing could be seen or heard, it was now for all practical purposes a piece of garbage. Remember that thinking "It has never happened to me, so I am safe" is the same thought process that sunk the titanic, if bad things never happen why buy insurance at all? |
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Banden
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Why write the change in personal use into the law then? Under standard copyright law, up to this point, personal use has been a legally recognized form of fair use protected in the interests of consumers. You think the reversal does anything about piracy? |
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Brent Allison
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If the RIAA has no qualms about suing 12-year-olds living in housing projects for simple copyright infringement, then I have no reason to grant media production companies any benefit of the doubt for what their intentions are when they lobby for legislation that further restricts the activities of everyday consumers. They have not earned my trust. That said, as I've said before, the laws against reproducing one's own purchased content for home storage is more likely intended as a "tack on" charge to more serious charges so that prosecutors can gain a greater chance of conviction and more years a defendant is sentenced. No one has ever been apprehended or sued on that charge alone, but nothing leaves me to believe that media companies would go out of their way to make sure that never happens either. Last edited by Brent Allison on Sat Jul 07, 2012 8:38 pm; edited 1 time in total |
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vgiannell5
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I have a feeling a few Canadian citizens would protest against this law to make sure it doesn't pass any further.
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Errinundra
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Presumably it is also aiming to prevent the use of programs such as AnyDVD which enable people to watch region blocked content.
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They don't have to act like villains out of some James Bond film to want to make money. That's the whole idea of having a business in the first place, after all. Yes, if you have to buy a new DVD every time one gets scratched, they make more money than they would if you had a backup copy. How does trying to prevent people from making one do anything whatsoever about "preventing online distribution of our content"? People used to keep trying to talk me into downloading movies while I was waiting for their legal street release dates. I refused, gave them a lecture, and was punished by not being able to play the product that I paid for on the devices I wanted to, because they weren't compatible with whatever protection How did that prevent online distribution? How does it prevent it even without a leaked copy? All it takes is one person to bypass it, and overnight the content becomes available to everyone who wants it. All it does is screw consumers over, and these people are more than intelligent enough to know this, and even if not they've had it explained to them by no small number of people over the years. They don't care, because yes, they are absolutely placing profits over ethics. Do you honestly believe companies don't do that on a regular basis? Why do you think governments have to impose things such as labor and environmental regulations? |
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Kikaioh
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I wish I had the energy to discuss these various points, but I've done it so many times before that it's kind of tiresome to go at it again, and I'm also too busy with other things right now to devote to a long discussion.
I will say that I understand the frustration of not being able to legally produce back-up copies, but also that I largely sympathize with content creators, who've had to basically accept rampant copyright infringement for well over a decade now since the popularization of the internet and digital media technologies. In that sense, I can understand why they would be more inclined to enforce their copyrights at the expense of consumers for the sake of discouraging encryption-breaking technologies that would ease the ability of pirates to copy and distribute their works, and as I'm a strong proponent for copyright, in this case I do side with the companies and content creators in their desire to protect their intellectual property rights.
That said, I foresee a lot of these issues becoming moot in the future --- technology is progressively making legal access to media content convenient to the point that backups likely won't be as much an issue (such as with Steam and the Apple Store), and I've the feeling that concerns about physical digital media protections will especially die down as visual media becomes more and more legally available through the Internet. |
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superdry
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Besides making a personal backup (of course you can make a backup without bypassing encryption), this law would technically make it illegal for one to watch a blu-ray movie on your computer if you're running Linux.
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walw6pK4Alo
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Wanting people to buy new discs every so often is what they want. Remember Hollywood's fear of VHS and premium cable like HBO? They didn't want your VCR to have a record button, so it's not a far stretch that they'd also dislike the idea of people making digital backups even 30 years down the line.
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