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Shiratori-san
Joined: 25 Mar 2014
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 Posted: Tue Sep 26, 2017 11:54 am
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I'm glad others don't use this system. Or else it would always be the same mainstream stuff.
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John Hayabusa
Joined: 30 May 2012
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Posted: Tue Sep 26, 2017 12:10 pm
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Ouch, this is kind of brutal. Those newcomers better step up their game or they are doomed in less than a month.
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Hoppy800
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Posted: Tue Sep 26, 2017 12:50 pm
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That's way to competitive for their own good, it doesn't account for slower paced manga. However, I do like that SJ's digital sales are increasing, this should be a good lesson for struggling publishers that digital is in style and is the future and they adopt digital sooner rather than later.
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Lord Geo
Joined: 18 Sep 2005
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Posted: Tue Sep 26, 2017 1:10 pm
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One thing to consider, though, is that the 10 week rule that Horie mentions isn't an end-all-be-all, either. Yamashita Taro-kun, as mentioned, had a rough time early on, but it wound up running for 21 volumes across roughly four years, which isn't bad at all; not to mention Koji Koseki would have later success, too. Hareluya, on the other hand, got canceled after a single 10-chapter volume, but the fanbase it slowly cultivated resulted in a reboot Hareluya II BØY, which would run throughout the 90s & last 33 volumes (one of the longest series in the entire "Golden Age", in fact), and while Haruto Umezawa hasn't had any of his later works run nearly as long, he hasn't exactly rested on his laurels, either.
Another example would be the debut manga for Nakaba Suzuki (of Seven Deadly Sins fame), golf series Rising Impact. It was technically canceled shortly after debuting in early 1999, but after three months returned & wound up running until early 2002 for 17 volumes. If anything, one could argue that the 10 week rule, though intensely harsh, more often than not weeds out the weaker titles, or at least teaches aspiring mangaka how to become better. Does it have its flaws? Definitely, but it's not like Jump has ever had a time where it was lacking in notable titles.
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Naotomato
Joined: 22 Aug 2014
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Posted: Tue Sep 26, 2017 2:01 pm
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Doesn't apply to Bleach, which had bad survey rankings in Jump for months and still ran up until it's end.
If a series is well known or popular from the past it has a better chance of surviving than say a series that is newer and hasn't really ran it's course yet.
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MajinAkuma
Joined: 15 Aug 2014
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Posted: Tue Sep 26, 2017 2:44 pm
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| Naotomato wrote: | | Doesn't apply to Bleach, which had bad survey rankings in Jump for months and still ran up until it's end.
If a series is well known or popular from the past it has a better chance of surviving than say a series that is newer and hasn't really ran it's course yet. |
Even with low rankings, if the sells are more than enough, they can stay until it's time to axe them.
Those older series are now extremely rare in WSJ, with One Piece and HunterXHunter being the oldest ones and the last of the late 90's, then followed Gin Tama from the early 2000's. The rest are either from 2012 or later and even the oldest of those can still be cancelled at any moment.
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Яeverse
Joined: 16 Jun 2014
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Posted: Tue Sep 26, 2017 2:52 pm
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Fervent prayers and supplication for the continued survival and eventual success of Shudan!
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BadNewsBlues
Joined: 21 Sep 2014
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Posted: Tue Sep 26, 2017 3:17 pm
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| Quote: | | , "Surveys have more objectivity than anything." |
Aren't the surveys in this case subjective than objective?
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Gasero
Joined: 24 Jul 2009
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Posted: Tue Sep 26, 2017 3:33 pm
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I don't know much about the manga market in Japan, but I still think that current technology would allow manga creators to circumvent Shonen Jump and publish straight to the internet. Perhaps later the manga can garner a large enough following to be published in popular magazines.
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Aaronrules380
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Posted: Tue Sep 26, 2017 3:38 pm
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| Gasero wrote: | | I don't know much about the manga market in Japan, but I still think that current technology would allow manga creators to circumvent Shonen Jump and publish straight to the internet. Perhaps later the manga can garner a large enough following to be published in popular magazines. |
web manga are a thing (A famous example being the works of ONE, Onepunchman and Mob Psycho 100). But it's much harder to gain visibility on the web compared to an established platform, and you're probably going to not be able to make much if any money since you'd probably be completely reliant on ad money. Just like how gigantic web comics aren't particularly common in the west and are more often than not passion projects, the same is true to a large extent in Japan
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Lelouch Vi
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Posted: Tue Sep 26, 2017 5:09 pm
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Honestly speaking this is a very archaic type system. It's good to have things based on what the readers like but it's also a detriment
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Ziko577
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Posted: Tue Sep 26, 2017 7:56 pm
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| Naotomato wrote: | | Doesn't apply to Bleach, which had bad survey rankings in Jump for months and still ran up until it's end.
If a series is well known or popular from the past it has a better chance of surviving than say a series that is newer and hasn't really ran it's course yet. |
Toriko also comes to mind with it concluding it's run around this time last year. Sales tanked of that manga in it's latter half because of complaints that the story was going nowhere fast and it got better towards the end.
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Shay Guy
Joined: 03 Jul 2009
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Posted: Tue Sep 26, 2017 8:46 pm
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I noticed, looking at Wikipedia's list, that fewer manga are succeeding in Jump overall. Of the series that debuted from 2010 to 2014, less than a quarter lasted over a year. Same for 2015 premiers. In previous five-year periods -- I checked as far back as 1990-94 -- the ratio of course varied, but it could reach nearly 40%. I'm not sure if that's noise or a real trend.
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Ziko577
Joined: 21 May 2014
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Posted: Tue Sep 26, 2017 9:50 pm
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| Shay Guy wrote: | I noticed, looking at Wikipedia's list, that fewer manga are succeeding in Jump overall. Of the series that debuted from 2010 to 2014, less than a quarter lasted over a year. Same for 2015 premiers. In previous five-year periods -- I checked as far back as 1990-94 -- the ratio of course varied, but it could reach nearly 40%. I'm not sure if that's noise or a real trend. |
They cancel more manga than any other magazine I know of and that's a handful. It's crazy really. Today is a far cry from when I was a kid. Now most series only last a year or two then they end. Some it's only a couple months like with what happened to Judos.
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LoriasGS
Joined: 24 Jan 2015
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Posted: Wed Sep 27, 2017 5:21 am
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| Naotomato wrote: | | Doesn't apply to Bleach, which had bad survey rankings in Jump for months and still ran up until it's end.
If a series is well known or popular from the past it has a better chance of surviving than say a series that is newer and hasn't really ran it's course yet. |
While being already established helped, Bleach's ending seemed very rushed and there were lots of plot points that had been heavily foreshadowed that never went anywhere or were ever mentioned again so I wouldn't be surprised if WSJ's editors told Kubo to wrap it up more quickly.
They weren't going to cancel something that had been running that long because even though it was getting bad rankings it was still selling well because people were invested to see it through to the end after it had run so long, but they probably pressured him into finishing it earlier than he had intended.
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