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Stark700
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Posted: Fri Sep 05, 2014 1:45 pm
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Still a long wait until the movie anyway. I hope to see an updated PV soon.
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penguintruth
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Posted: Fri Sep 05, 2014 1:49 pm
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After the disaster that was 3.33, I very much doubt this series can be redeemed. They'll almost have to retcon all of 3.33 has having never happened. It was the worst thing to ever carry the Evangelion name.
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Adnae
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Posted: Fri Sep 05, 2014 2:31 pm
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penguintruth wrote: | After the disaster that was 3.33, I very much doubt this series can be redeemed. They'll almost have to retcon all of 3.33 has having never happened. It was the worst thing to ever carry the Evangelion name. |
Well, I think it's the best movie in japanese animation since a long time.
It's a kind of "Love or hate" movie. Eva-fanboys will hate it and cry "DON'T TOUCH THE ORIGINAL STORYYYYY" and the others will be praising Hideaki Anno for his good ideas about the storytelling and all.
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penguintruth
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Posted: Fri Sep 05, 2014 2:35 pm
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Good ideas on storytelling? There wasn't any storytelling in 3.33, that's the problem with it. It was just characters sitting around, musing, and then a brief action piece followed by everybody being exactly the same as they were at the beginning of the film.
Nothing. F***ing. Happens. Not plotwise, not thematically, not with character development. Nothing. It's an hour and half of nothing happening. A complete waste of time.
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beatless
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Posted: Fri Sep 05, 2014 2:37 pm
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I'm really on the hype for this. 3.33 was brilliant. 1.0 was just a remake and 2.22 didn't feel like an Evangelion movie at all (still like both a lot).
Hope to see a PV this year.
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Errinundra
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Posted: Fri Sep 05, 2014 2:57 pm
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I see it penguintruth's way. I'm no fan of the franchise but I rate 3.0 as the most tedious instalment yet - in any of the incarnations. And my problem isn't with the rebuild as I think 2.0 is the entire franchise's high point.
The climactic opening and closing scenes are just empty bombast while the middle section is excruciating.
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nightjuan
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Posted: Fri Sep 05, 2014 2:59 pm
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Hideaki Anno sure loves to tease and troll the fans. I've avoided that trap though, by not watching 3.0 so far, despite indulging in a few random spoilers, until the last movie is finally released and I can deal with the whole project at once.
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Errinundra
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Posted: Fri Sep 05, 2014 3:03 pm
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^
Granted, 4.0 might give more context to 3.0.
Bear in mind, though, that I've seen each of the rebuild movies at the cinema so I chose to watch them as they were released via that medium.
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KENZICHI
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Posted: Fri Sep 05, 2014 3:07 pm
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Still wondering when 3.0 is coming out on dvd in America. I've been wanting to see the English dub for awhile.
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Adnae
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Posted: Fri Sep 05, 2014 3:09 pm
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penguintruth wrote: | Good ideas on storytelling? There wasn't any storytelling in 3.33, that's the problem with it. It was just characters sitting around, musing, and then a brief action piece followed by everybody being exactly the same as they were at the beginning of the film.
Nothing. F***ing. Happens. Not plotwise, not thematically, not with character development. Nothing. It's an hour and half of nothing happening. A complete waste of time. |
That's the point: everything happened before it, and the movie tries to make the viewer guess what happened from Shinji's point of view. I really like that, since everything has changed except Shinji, and we discover it through his eyes.
And how can you tell that nothing happened? Everything told here will have consequences on the sequel.
Or maybe you're just considereing the film separately from each other, and I REALLY don't see the point since it's a tetralogy.
(My english isn't perfect, so my use of some words may be wrong)
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TsukasaElkKite
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Posted: Fri Sep 05, 2014 3:15 pm
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When will 3.33 get released on DVD in the U.S?
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Eisenmann V
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Posted: Fri Sep 05, 2014 3:53 pm
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penguintruth wrote: | Good ideas on storytelling? There wasn't any storytelling in 3.33, that's the problem with it. It was just characters sitting around, musing, and then a brief action piece followed by everybody being exactly the same as they were at the beginning of the film.
Nothing. F***ing. Happens. Not plotwise, not thematically, not with character development. Nothing. It's an hour and half of nothing happening. A complete waste of time. |
A few things do happen, but most of it hinges on no one bothering to give Shinji a minute's worth of explanation.
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Suena
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Posted: Fri Sep 05, 2014 4:37 pm
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penguintruth wrote: | Good ideas on storytelling? There wasn't any storytelling in 3.33, that's the problem with it. It was just characters sitting around, musing, and then a brief action piece followed by everybody being exactly the same as they were at the beginning of the film.
Nothing. F***ing. Happens. Not plotwise, not thematically, not with character development. Nothing. It's an hour and half of nothing happening. A complete waste of time. |
It's an installment. Like episodes are installments of an overall series. I can think of some stretches in the TV series where not much happened...
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penguintruth
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Posted: Fri Sep 05, 2014 4:48 pm
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Suena wrote: |
penguintruth wrote: | Good ideas on storytelling? There wasn't any storytelling in 3.33, that's the problem with it. It was just characters sitting around, musing, and then a brief action piece followed by everybody being exactly the same as they were at the beginning of the film.
Nothing. F***ing. Happens. Not plotwise, not thematically, not with character development. Nothing. It's an hour and half of nothing happening. A complete waste of time. |
It's an installment. Like episodes are installments of an overall series. I can think of some stretches in the TV series where not much happened... |
Even as an installment, it still has to stand on its own as a movie in of itself, with some kind of narrative. The original Star Wars trilogy was a series of films, but each one was a film that, while they needed the other to be a complete story, were also films in their own right on their own.
Even the previous two Rebuild movies, while obviously dependent on a larger narrative, serving a larger narrative, were each good films as themselves. This third one is a disgrace, a complete betrayal of what the first two films built, especially the second. Three films in, the larger narrative can't afford to derail the momentum as badly as the 3.33 did. Nothing is built up. It's just a slam halt and it comes off as being nothing more than a stall until the conclusion can be finished.
I think there was something incredibly wrong with the production process and they churned out 3.33 to distract us because they realized they didn't have an ending yet, or that something was wrong with it and they scrambled to fix it. There's nothing in 3.33 that feels like it's setting the stage. Shinji is basically the same at the end of 3.33 as he is at the end of 2.22, tired of everybody's bullshit. Just like I'm tired of Anno's.
If 3.33 is dependent on 4.0 to be a good movie, then it's a complete failure. Just a popular one.
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residentgrigo
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Posted: Fri Sep 05, 2014 4:52 pm
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3.33 is (at least critically) contoversial) and the only part of official Eva that i don´t support. Such a beautiful misstep. I wonder what this project is and can barely care.
A good 4.0 and the new manga epilogue would give me enough closure to finaly burry that series for good.
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