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Key
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Round 4 Group B is now closed.
Results will momentarily be available here, but in short, it was a pair of huge blow-outs. The Count's victory was fully anticipated; Horo's was not, and thus could possibly be interpreted as a big upset. Anyway, more action should be up in a few. |
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Key
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Round 4 Group C is now closed.
Results are given below. Guide: Group C Guide Group C-29 Lelouch Lamperouge, Code Geass [ Video Clip ] vs. Lupin, Lupin III franchise [ Video Clip ] Winner: Lelouche Total: 15-8 Group C-30 Kiichi Goto, Patlabor franchise [ Video Clip ] vs. Johan Liebert, Monster [ Video Clip ] Winner: Johan Total: 13-10 Last edited by Key on Tue Jan 13, 2009 12:08 am; edited 1 time in total |
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Dorcas_Aurelia
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The field continues to narrow in the minigame. Detailed results here.
I just realized in my updates to ccdx, I'd been leaving out results for the most recent round (as opposed to running total). |
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Ggultra2764
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Match C-29: Lupin (Lupin the 3rd)
Lupin's been making fools out of Zenigata and others with his clever thefts and schemes for decades, whether through TV shows or movies. I think he's a worthy candidate for the finals. Match C-30: Johan Liebert (Monster) Johan's manipulative nature has been well-known to drive folks into madness and he thrives on it with a collected and sadistic grin. He earns my vote this round. |
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Key
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Since I've already watched all of the video clips, guess I'll go early this round, too.
Group C-29 Lelouch Lamperouge, Code Geass [ Video Clip ] vs. Lupin, Lupin III franchise [ Video Clip ] This pairing features a pair of competitive clips. Lupin certainly seemed to be in control of the situation, but I am going to go with Lelouche here. Detractors can say all they want about Lelouche being surrounded by those of vastly inferior intelligence and getting by because of his power, but not so much here. In this case he had to outwit a target with power equal to his own, one that he could not even approach under normal circumstances, and do so while both assuring that his true identity does not get revealed and recovering C.C. without suspicion. And that is only one method by which he proves himself. Lupin is one of the wiliest anime characters ever portrayed, and thus is certainly a worthy competitor, but he loses out by a small margin to an even more worthy foe. It will be interesting indeed to see how close this one is. Group C-30 Kiichi Goto, Patlabor franchise [ Video Clip ] vs. Johan Liebert, Monster [ Video Clip ] Boy, unlike the other pairing, neither of these clips at all gives a good feel for how intelligent their respective characters are. Johan is a fan darling, so I fully expect him to win by a large margin, but I can't let Goto go down without a fight. (And yes, this has me going against my minigame pic.) As laconic as he looks, he distinguished himself with his deductive and subtly manipulative abilities too many times for me to even give him an edge over a brilliant serial killer. To put it another way, if Johan had gone up against Goto within series context, I honestly think Goto would've nailed him. |
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Dorcas_Aurelia
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Group C-29 Lelouche Lamperouge, Code Geass vs. Lupin, Lupin the 3rd franchise Voting For: Reason: Possibility of Change: Group C-30 Kiichi Goto, Patlabor franchise vs. Johan Liebert, Monster Voting For: Reason: Possibility of Change: |
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zawa113
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C-29: Lupin
Not about to search back 20+ pages to find exactly what I said, but last C round, I said I'd vote for Lupin in this round, and I intend to do just this. I'm anticipating perhaps DerekTheRed to go more into Lupin, it's been a while since I've seen the show, but master of disguise, clever tricks, I remember the one episode where he communicated in jail using morse code to Jigen and Goemon and thinking that was awesome, so practical knowledge for all situations he is in helps. C-30: Johan Sure, Goto's clip was entertaining last week (I'll watch this week's later), but I can't possibly go against someone as purely manipulative as Johan. Like Lupin, also spoiler[good at deception and disguise]. It's hard to go into Johan without major spoilers of course (it's still easy to show he's a psychopath without much spoilers though). Also, I had already decided my votes this bracket a month ago. *will not change either vote* |
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guet
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Group C-29
Lelouch Lamperouge, Code Geass [ Video Clip ] vs. Lupin, Lupin III franchise [ Video Clip ] Voting for: Lelouch Reason: This has to be the toughest choice for me so far. Lupin is a great character, and his cleverness is what he is all about. I am giving the slight edge to Lelouch, just because I enjoy the war aspect a bit more than the heists. Both are worthy of advancing in my opinion, It's a shame that only one can move on. Group C-30 Kiichi Goto, Patlabor franchise [ Video Clip ] vs. Johan Liebert, Monster [ Video Clip ] Voting for: Kiichi Goto Reason: This matchup doesn't mean as much to me, as I am going to be voting for the winner of C-29 next round regardless of who wins, so I'm tossing a vote to the underdog to make things more interesting. Plus Johan's clips have done nothing for me so far. |
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LydiaDianne
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Group C-29
Lelouche Lamperouge, Code Geass vs. Lupin, Lupin the 3rd franchise Voting For: Lupin Reason: I just think that he's the most clever of the two. Possibility of Change: maybe Group C-30 Kiichi Goto, Patlabor franchise vs. Johan Liebert, Monster Voting For: Kiichi Goto Reason: Because...I don't know, I just like him better Possibility of Change: none |
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dtm42
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Regarding Lupin's clip, I found many an absurdity.
The first being that a man would want to spend an entire year in prison, just to feed his ego when he escaped. The second being that his fingernail wasn't noticed during the physical examination. What was Zenigata doing? The third being that Lupin managed to take his fingernail through a metal detector without it being detected. What prison wouldn't have metal detectors? The fourth being that Jigen could sneak a pistol (especially a revolver) through prison security. The fifth being that Lupin could shave that easily without water or shaving cream. He didn't even cut himself, and cut the hair at the back of his head flawlessly. The sixth being that the hair Lupin shaved off could magically stick to the guard. The seventh being that Zenigata didn't recognise immediately that the "guard" was Lupin, and that "Lupin" was the guard. How long has Zenigata known Lupin? The eighth being that Zenigata didn't just shoot Lupin in the foot or leg, radio for help, then go rescue the poor guy. It wouldn't have taken fifteen seconds, which isn't long at all given the length of time that an execution takes. The real guard probably wasn't even at the execution chamber yet, as only a minute had transpired between ordering the chap to be sent there, and running away to stop the execution. There are more, mostly minor in nature. Like the fact that a single guard would never be sent in to be alone with a prisoner, especially one as notorious as Lupin. Also, wouldn't Lupin's muscles have atrophied after an entire year in a straightjacket? Hmmm? Now, Lelouch's clip isn't perfect. But boy, when it comes to the believability factor between the two clips, there is a clear winner. I'm sorry, but Lupin's clip is so riddled with holes - large ones at that - that you could drive a battalion of Knightmare Frames through it. And here I was thinking that Lupin was smart and clever and could survive (and prosper) without the need of gratuitous amounts of bad writing. Lupin's biggest - perhaps only - strength over Lelouch has now been thoroughly negated. Edit: Why didn't anyone tell me I had spelt "cream" as "creme"? So embarrassing. Last edited by dtm42 on Tue Jan 06, 2009 3:03 pm; edited 1 time in total |
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fighterholic
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C-29: Lupin.
C-30: Johan. |
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Liviu-
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Best argument anyone could ever think of. I thought this was a contest about cleverness. Unfortunetly i have seen only Code Geass and Monster so i only know only one contestant from each match but i'll watch the videos of the two other contestants, though dtm42 convinced me to stick to Lelouch for now, atleast till i see Lupin's videos. I'll see Goto's clips too, but i really doubt he can compare to Johan who, in my opinion, is worthy of the big final. |
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marie-antoinette
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Group C-29
Voting for: Lelouch Lamperouge, Code Geass Reasons: I still get the impression that even if I had seen Lupin III, I still would find Lelouch more intelligent. Group C-30 Voting for: Johan Liebert, Monster Reasons: The impression I get is that this isn't too much of a contest in this match-up (though early voting seems to suggest otherwise). |
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Ggultra2764
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In defense of the Lupin clip, take in account the time in which the series was made. The police were quite lax with investigating civilians who visited prisoners and screenings of prisoners weren't as greatly thorough during that time either since it was unthinkable to the police that prisoners could have such an elaborate means to conceal weapons. Even with a metal detector in that time used to detect on prisoners, I doubt any were powerful enough to detect such a small trace of metal as what Lupin had on his fingernail. The fact the police lacked thorough investigation procedures and methods during the time period was what Jigen and Lupin exploited to help each other out and pull off the escape. Such an escape tactic may be easily detectable nowadays with advances in technology and more thorough methods of investigation by the police. But, this clip with Lupin was from a different period of time and in terms of cleverness, Lupin was well ahead in his time with exploiting flaws in the thoroughness of police screenings as shown through the clip. Judging from the style of animation, this clip had to be from the first Lupin TV series released back in the early 1970s. |
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bonbonsrus
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Group C-29
Lelouch Lamperouge, Code Geass [ Video Clip ] vs. Lupin, Lupin III franchise [ Video Clip ] I believe Lelouch is the better choice here, and I am surprised at all the favor for Lupin once again. Still, Lelouch should move on. Group C-30 Kiichi Goto, Patlabor franchise [ Video Clip ] vs. Johan Liebert, Monster [ Video Clip ] It's an odd thing only knowing a character from the clips, and these are two series I only know from the clips so far. I am voting for Johan still, from all I have seen and heard from others in all these rounds, it still seems like the best choice here, despite being a bit swayed by some of Keys thoughts this round. |
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