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Sunday Silence
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Great!! So, you can point me to a way I can legally watch a/or buy Mon Colle Knights!! Or find an episode of Sazae-San from 1982 and see it legally? I'll be off to the side waiting. |
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dewlwieldthedarpachief
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This week was a really good read, if for nothing else than getting the full extent of Brian's position on piracy. We gab on about how it's a dead horse and everyone's sick of hearing about it, so maybe I'm just a masochist but I think it's genuinely more interesting than most of the questions asked of you. Perhaps it's just the passion behind it.
Personally, indifference was what started my pirating and in the past few years its been indifference that's all but quashed it. Of the small collection of things I care to watch, I only want to save a portion for posterity. I think these things are special, and so I have little issue buying them. It feels good. |
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TitanXL
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I'm sure you could find Mon Colle Knights. Edited dub only, of course. I guess people who like uncut anime get the short end of the stick. |
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The King of Harts
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I think one key thing Brian overlooked in is answer about dubs is a good director, which I think is the most important part. If you don't have director who's willing to do a take 5, 10, 100, or however many is needed to get it just right, you're going to get an iffy dub. If you don't have a director that's smart enough to adjust a script on the fly, you're going to get an iffy dub. If your director isn't good enough, the entire thing suffers.
Case in point: Headline Sound Studios. They get good actors and have decent scripts, but their main director, Joe Digiorgi, isn't that good, so the best he's done, Queen's Blade 2, is only kind of good and is even that good because of Lisa Ortiz. His dubs sound like he's going "OK, that's good enough, lets move on to the next one", which is a recipe for mediocrity or worse. I don't think it's coincidence that the fews shows they've done that aren't directed by Joe - namely Kare Kano and Genshiken - are really good (though Genshiken did take a while to hit its stride). Then, of course you have hacks like Foster, who I don't even think uses a dub script. Someone on another forum said one time that Foster probably just looks at the subtitle script and wings it from there, which would certainly explain the subpar acting (despite really good actors), poor lip flap matching, completely random line changes, absurd localization, and horribly mispronounced names. Now, to be fair, he has done good dubs (two, probably three), but it's not a trend of his. |
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mike.motaku
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It's funny, really.
From the age of VHS onward, owners of physical media have had this idea that buying a VHS or a laser disc or a DVD gives them an almost endless supply of rights as to how, when & where they can view their chosen media. It has become almost legendary that by quoting "fair use", anyone, anywhere can make as many "back-up copies" as they want. Sadly untrue. When you buy your physical media you are given only the right expressly laid out in the non-piracy warning at the beginning. To wit: you can watch your dvd or whatever on an appropriate player in your house. AND THAT IS IT. "Fair use" has never been extended by any court to cover a complete copy of anything. "Fair use" is used mostly in film studies classes & covers at best 15 minutes of total screen time. Any more, and you legally must get written permission & pay royalties for screening the complete film. So. Ta-da! Just about everyone in the US has committed an act of piracy at some point or other, especially after the introduction of Napster. Just as everybody cheats on their taxes (Really? you declared ALL of your tips? Declared ALL of your internet sales tax?), everyone, or as near as makes no difference, has pirated something. Luckily, enforcement is too much of a pain, so only the most blatant & easily caught get punished. "But I want it!" has become the rallying cry of the modern pirate. No longer legally available? People used to say oh well & move on with their lives, or haunt flea markets or eBay. Not anymore. "If I can't buy it in as convenient a manner as I want right at this moment, I'll steal it!" Fantastic. And that doesn't reek of false entitlement? Whatever, dude. 
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Polycell
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US law does allow for a copy to be made for backup or archival purposes.
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RyanSaotome
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Times change. "Stealing" a file that nobody is making available hurts no one at all. There is nobody suffering from you downloading a 1980s anime that has no license, is totally out of print in Japan, and there is no legal way to get it outside of paying some insane collectors price for a non subtitled version of the VHS. |
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Sunday Silence
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And Sazae-San? I so wanna see Wakame back in the day. |
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Zin5ki
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To declare your animadversions of piracy is certainly understandable, and indeed consistent with our most mature normative habits. To call it insane, however, is to make a highly bold claim concerning practical reasoning; a claim that a flaw of rationality exemplifies cognitive incompetence.
Concerning this point, I believe that resting your claim upon an appeal to the supposed universal availability of legal options is a questionable strategy. If the Indians you consider were to attempt to excuse their piracy, one might expect you to criticise them on the basis that, in principle, they could import the legal content they consume illegally. To do this, it seems, would be to hold them against a standard that advocates incurring unsustainable debt for mere entertainment, and such a standard is not one that is well-suited to prescribing sound rational practice. For this reason I believe that your dislike of the attempted rationalisations of piracy, in cases such as that of the hypothesised Indians, stems not from the distant (and in this case inadvisable) possibilities of importing legal content, but instead from certain postulated deontological principles of which you seem perennially fond. |
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walw6pK4Alo
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While some might consider that a small niche of anime, I think it's enormous and full of hundreds of titles that are rare and obscure. I can use Apfelland Monogatari, Good Morning Althea, Elf 17, and Goddamn as recent examples of that I watched. I can add Kaze wo Nuke! to a list of titles I still want to see but DVDs probably don't exist for. And even if they should exist, they'll never be licensed. Maybe I should write Answerman about how of if anime ever enters the public domain, or if Japan even has such a concept. Thinking about those 10 dollar boxsets of crappy b-movie horror flicks got me wondering if such a concept were at all translatable to one-shot and mostly abandoned and forgotten OVAs or movies. Otherwise, a good many of these will likely stay hidden away forever outside of VHS and LDrips. Last edited by walw6pK4Alo on Fri Mar 09, 2012 5:23 pm; edited 1 time in total |
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Melanchthon
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What we have here is not a argument about piracy, it is an argument about philosophy. It is a fair argument, and I shall frame it as such, to try to avoid the namecalling and mudslinging that so often fill the threads.
The real argument is the question of where the onus lies on generating wealth from intellectual property. You, my friend, argue quite passionately that the onus lies on the consumer. I hold the onus lies on the creator. I see no clearly correct answer here, as both arguments have disadvantages to them. As I said, this is a matter philosophical differences. As an example, take a look at the differences between America and Europe over artistic creations. If I, in America, buy a book written by A-Ko, I own the work, and I can do what I want with it (apart from violating copyright of course). I can read it, resell it, display it, use it for a pillow, whatever. But in Europe, if I then resell the book to B-Ko, then I have to pay a royalty back to A-Ko. And if B-Ko then sells it to C-Ko, B-Ko has to pay a royalty to A-Ko as well. As an American, I feel this is quite unfair to the customer, but I imagine a Frenchman would feel the American system is horribly unfair to the creator. This is philosophy equivalent to our problem. One choice is unfair to the creator, and one is unfair to the consumer. Here is how I view my solution. It is the responsibility of the creator, or his agents, to spread his creation into the market. If the creator fails to provide an option for a consumer, acting in good faith, to obtain their desired product, then the fault lies with the creator. As long as the consumer acts in good faith, then he is free of blame. The good faith is important, in the Oatmeal comic, the character does not act in good faith, because as mentioned, the show is wide-available now. Some modicum of restrain is required. |
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Chagen46
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Brian, why did you even take that first letter (the one on dub scripts)?
It's nothing more than an annoying Japanophile not knowing what he's talking about at all. |
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Hamiltion97
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Someone on another forum said one time that Foster probably just looks at the subtitle script and wings it from there, which would certainly explain the subpar acting (despite really good actors), poor lip flap matching, completely random line changes, absurd localization, and horribly mispronounced names.
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Sunday Silence
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Life+50 years author wise. 70 years from publication or if unpublished 70 years from creation (cinematographic works). 50 years from publication or if unpublished 50 years from creation (works of a legal person or other corporate body). |
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ikillchicken
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Yeah...I could. I certainly don't have to pirate it. Just waiting a while is certainly not the end of the world. Just waiting is certainly a valid option. Or...I could just go ahead and pirate it for now. I'll still buy it when it comes out. So while I could certainly wait...why do so? Why deprive myself in the mean time? It doesn't hold that I must not pirate just because I don't have to. There's a massive difference between thinking you're entitled to do something and thinking it is acceptable to do something. I wish critics of piracy would get it straight. I'm sure there are plenty of people out there who do think that the slightest delay entitles them to pirate (and worse, to never actually support the show later on) and that's something that should be criticized. However, that message always seems to get muddled up and it de-legitimizes the underlying valid point.
Now you're just being absurd. Even putting expense aside, imports are basically useless to me unless they have english subtitles. There is of course also instances of older shows that are either hopelessly out of print now or were never released on physical media. Honestly, I don't even know why you'd make a claim like this. It is such a blatant and obvious generalization that you're just begging to be proven wrong and dismissed. You're basically straw man-ing your own point. |
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