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kaiser11492
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I believe the first phase of the trial between 4kids and TVTokyo/NAS is today. Probably not going to get any immediate results, but am curious about the final outcome. Personally would like TVTokyo/NAS to win, which would mean 4kids will be a dealt a large blow.
As an anime fan, I show warm feelings for 4kids. For some reason they have refused to change their editing standards while other more successful dubbing companies that have changed move on. Why does 4kids decide to live in the past, where anime is still this "foreign cartoon that has a potential threat towards people"? And their edits are totally illogical and without reason. I tried sending them an email politely asking them why they decide to make these changes, yet they have not responded. Is it hard to give one person a clear answer? |
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PetrifiedJello
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I would say the answer to this question is "yes", especially when it's a question asked repeatedly by those who feel the company is in the wrong. What I don't understand is this double-standard fans are throwing out to 4Kids. It was okay the dub was edited when they were watching it years ago, but now that they've grown up, it's an evil empire? That's petty thinking. 4Kids dubbing is like a happy meal at McDs. It's awesome when you're 8, but does little when you're 18. As for the court case... I don't care who wins. |
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ArsenicSteel
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When I was 8 I didn't know what was taken out or changed for my viewing pleasure by the overseers at 4kids. Growing up the edits started to appear worse and worse to me. Plus I started reading some of the press releases and interviews from Kahn,...that reasoning had more effect on my feelings towards 4kids than any particular dub. |
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Soundmonkey44
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I think the worst part of this whole mess is that I will most likely never be able to put a Yugioh 5D's DVD on my shelf. (Oh well at least I have the manga.)
As for 4kids themselves, I've never really hated them, their target demo is in their name for petes sake. I do however severly hate Al Khan. I truly hope for only horrid things to happen to him. (I guess that makes me a bad person, but oh well.) |
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kaiser11492
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Well Kahn is gone, 4kids is loosing money, declared Chapter 11 Bankruptcy, and are now being sued. How many blows does it take to keep down 4kids?
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vashna
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While I am not going to say that I am a fan of the 4Kids method of dubbing things, I will also fess up and say that I've watched a few of their dubs even recently because it was a chance to watch anime on regular television. While I won't commend them for how Dinosaur King, for example, was done, I won't go out of my way to say I want them to be shut down. Yes, as a fan I would rather see other companies do the dubbings of shows, but as a human being I don't want to see anyone have to suffer the indignity of loosing their job.
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kaiser11492
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I only say these things because to me 4kids is medieval when compared to other companies in the anime industry. Would one allow the iron maiden or the rack to be used in our modern justice system?
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EireformContinent
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I suggest sedatives. It's just a matter of cartoons. You must be very lucky to not have more serious problems.
The case itself is curious, also I'm not a big fan of 4Kids, edits, since most of them seems completely pointless. Does they have 11th Command- edit whatever you got, no matter if it deserves or not? |
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ArsenicSteel
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Yet "cartoons" is serious business, hence things like this trial and 4kids' financial woes. The most serious problems this forum is setup to cover would anime related ones. If you want to discuss a more serious issues then please meander to a forum created for such discussions. |
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TitanXL
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You just answered your own question. When we're a dumb little kid, we'll watch anything and don't care. Now that we're older, and actually have access to the original versions of the show and information, we see it for the underhanded and insulting practice that it is. It's like not blaming a kid from writing on the walls when he's 2 and saying it's a double standard to blame an adult with proper knowledge for doing it. We know better now.
While people can preach 'don't watch it if you don't like it' the fact remains they exist and hurt the existence of a legal release of a proper DVD/Blu-Ray option (with subtitles at least, if not a proper redone dub) All we can do is hope 4Kids loses and ZeXal can be picked up by Funi or Viz and given a proper dub. |
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TheSwedishElf
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I think everything 4Kids worked on should be distributed amongst much better companies now. Pokemon USA already got Pokemon from them, and Funimation rescued One Piece, so that's a start.
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Nagisa
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The iron maiden and the torture rack were what pre-4Kids anime fans got their shows run through. You 4Kids generation are lucky the worst you suffered was Ol' Sparky. What's more, us old curmudgeons still appreciate our Robotechs and DiC Sailor Moons for exposing us to this wonderful animation medium. 
4Kids were certainly draconic in their handling of anime properties, but while some things they did were inexcusable (I'm talking race-swapping pirates here) the vast majority of the edits made did nothing to change the tone, intended audience, plot, or themes of the shows in question. It's not like they spliced three completely unrelated shows together or redacted some twenty episodes worth of content from the first sixty episodes of a show's run. Most of what they did was localizing foreign little kids' shows for local little kids' audiences, and considering how overzealous parental watchdog groups here are, trust me in saying you guys got off light. Anyway, so as not to derail the thread too much (though as with any thread ostensibly having to do with 4Kids outside of their editing standards, this thread was derailed from post #1), allow me to close by saying that if 4Kids is indeed guilty of the financial misdeeds it is being accused of, then the company certainly deserves the punishment to be handed out. However, beyond that, it is a sick, sick thing to wish for the financial ruin of hundreds of people in this weak economy all because of a dodgy approach to editing cartoons. |
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TitanXL
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The PUSA dub of Pocket Monsters is probably even worse than the 4Kids dub, I wouldn't really say it was 'rescued'.
I never really got this defense. If a company does poor work, then they stand to go out of business. It's kind of standard business etiquette. It's not so much people cheering from the windows at the sight of them begging on the street so much as "that shoddy bakery went out of business, maybe now we can get a decent cake shop set up around here" |
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Nagisa
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There's a difference, however, between a company going out of business for doing poor work and a company going out of business because they're not catering to "ME" (where "me" is the person posing the argument, not necessarily me as in myself). The vast majority of 4Kids detractors seem to pose the latter argument, seemingly under the idea that all anime companies license shows for the late teens/early twenties demographic and that any company not doing so and perhaps having to conform to different standards & practices for a younger audience are "doing it wrong."
While I don't agree with every decision 4Kids makes with regard to editing, the fact of the matter is that most of what they do is simply to get shows for little kids in a foreign market to conform to what's acceptable for little kids in this market. Given the general culture (or lack thereof) of the mass market, that means making decisions that are going to ruffle the feathers of older anime fans who are used to getting everything served specifically to them on an uncut, bilingual platter, but are in fact good marketing and broadcasting decisions that keep the company alive and get their shows out on the air and deliver them to the real target audience without any watchdog groups crying foul. In that respect, 4Kids aren't doing a bad job. The problem is the job they're doing isn't for us, requires a little more tidying up than it would if it was for us, and so a lot of particularly upset fans of these shows wish for the company to crash and burn for that reason alone. I'm not saying a company that does a bad job should be mourned for failing, but it is awfully petty to wish for a company to fall simply because it's not after "MY" business, but has otherwise done a fairly decent job of pursuing and attracting its target audience (the past few years of "post-North American anime bubble burst" aside, of course, but then everybody suffered a bit for that). |
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kaiser11492
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Parental watchdog groups? Aren't they a minority group? Besides, If I found one of these overzealous watchdog groups that don't accept parental responsibility and make tv a babysitter, I would say this in front of their faces "http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RFZrzg62Zj0". |
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