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Nonaka Machine Gun B
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Wow, I would have never thought people directly involved in a show, such as the head writer or voice actors, get overseas royalties. You'd think that was freelance work and selling the show would be the sole business of the producers.
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ChibiKangaroo
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In regard to the US divisions/subsidiaries of companies paying licensing fees to their "overlords," there may also be more shadowy reasons for that type of thing to take into consideration. Average people often don't have any exposure to some of the more complicated aspects of international business, but there is a whole lot of funny stuff going on behind the scenes by the accountants and tax professionals. Money moves around in ways that might seem strange to us but may serve some arcane purpose due to international taxation for example. Like, I would assume that a US division of an international company could lower its tax burden by paying "expenses" to its overlords over seas, when in reality that money will be profits for the stakeholders. They shift the money out of the US to avoid US taxes and then bring it back in in other ways. I'm not saying that is definitely what is going on with the examples discussed here, but just saying that there is a lot of funny stuff that goes on behind the scenes with international business.
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Sam Murai
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Given how much power those voice actors (particularly, their agencies) and head writers can pull over monetary matters, it is very much a reality. Japanese business mores leave it more open to give content creators or major production participants a slice of the pie, though based on stories, it can become quite obtuse and straining. |
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mgosdin
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Pulls out Green Eye-shades, blows dust off ( Cough! ) and rolls up sleeves.
[Beancounter Mode - Engaged] I've personally done a lot of accounting work between business subsidiaries that were wholly owned, partially owned but fully controlled, partially owned and independent and every permutation thereof. What you say about licensing fees makes excellent sense, even under fully domestic US regulations not adding in the complexities of whatever Japanese laws apply. It's a hideously complicated mess of rules, regulations, laws, lawyers, accountants and politicians. There's a good reason why I don't do accounting anymore. [Beancounter Mode - Terminated] I do think Pony Canyon is taking a gamble on beginning distribution in the US. Others have walked that path and have paid the price of failure, some of their bones still sit on the shelves of RightStuf's warehouse and occasionally show up in the clearance bins. I sincerely hope that they don't hurt themselves by doing this. Mark Gosdin |
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Hameyadea
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So even if and when those companies (branches?) in the west are owned by some percentage by their Japanese HQ, due to bureaucratic proceedings those companies are literally paying to themselves for the rights they already own. Yes, I'm aware that technically companies like Kodansha and Kodansha USA are two separate entities, but is still buffles me... Last edited by Hameyadea on Fri Jan 09, 2015 4:28 pm; edited 1 time in total |
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mdo7
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The last question got my attention the most. Because I was kinda surprised (or maybe not) that companies like Viz and Kodansha USA even if it was owned by a Japanese companies still have to paid license fee back to their Japanese "overlords"
Yeah Japanese business hierarchy confuse me. It get's worse I read that doing business in Japan can be difficult and has a lot of red tapes: The Economist-Red tapes in Japan Is Red Tape Slowing Japan’s Quake Recovery? Japan: 'A tough market to crack' A Clouded Outlook: Why Japan find it hard to change |
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Juno016
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The reason "rights" are purchased are so that the owners to those rights are paid for their work on the product itself. Licensing is the primary way that rights owners get paid for their work. The US branch is separate company, so it doesn't directly share the money pool as its owner. Thus, contracts have to be made so that everyone gets their fair share. If they didn't purchase the rights, then all of the money would fall into the US branch's paycheck and they'd have to find a different way to pay the rights owner so that the parent company could get its proper royalties like every other rights owner. Treating them as two separate entities is not only proper--it's convenient because they can license anime the same way everyone else does. |
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Kadmos1
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By comparison, would the American division of a foreign car company be paying such fees to their foreign parent company?
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mdo7
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That is a good question and I don't know. But I know Japanese management culture is very unique from others. |
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Yttrbio
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reanimator
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I know the quote is for domestic releases, but the packaging process also similarly applies to why Japanese discs are expensive.
In terms of animation quality, Studio Ghibli's "loss" is gain for other animation studios. Ex-Ghibli animators like Masashi Ando, Kenichi Konishi, and Kenichi Yoshida worked on high budget anime films/TV after they left Ghibli. Last edited by reanimator on Sat Jan 10, 2015 12:19 am; edited 1 time in total |
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EnigmaticSky
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It's kind of a shame that they employees at Studio Ghibli won't have a stable workplace any longer, but I guess it's the best option for the studio at the moment. And I hope Ponycanyon's releases will be more similar to Funimation/NISA, but I guess we'll wait and see.
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Yuzu94
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We'll just have to see, won't we? [Mod edit: Removed uncalled for snark. errinundra.] |
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leafy sea dragon
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From what I can gather out of the answer, the money is going to certain groups and individuals on the Japanese side of things. Correct me if I'm wrong, people who know more about this process than I do, but it seems the original Japanese companies had already paid these groups and individuals in order to make the show in Japan. Then, when the American branch wants to distribute the show in North America, these groups and individuals are paid again because the Japanese rights and North American rights are separate. In other words, the logic here is treating companies not as one massive entity with a bunch of money and a bunch of intellectual properties, but as a large conglomeration of people, each with their own slice of various IPs and their desire to get some money out of any deals relevant to them. |
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noblesse oblige
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I already knew that US subsidiaries had to pay licensing fees to their parent companies, but what I'm curious about, is whether they can get away with just oral contracts instead of the costly and time consuming contracts that usually have to be drawn up by lawyers in these licensing situations?
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