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CrowLia
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This is exactly my point though. The context of this particular post was not in anyway offensive, crass or vulgar to merit the censorship. Of course I'd expect censoring (and a warning) if User A called User B a "shitheaded imbecile", but I find it an exaggeration to censor things like "Shit, this is expensive" or "Anime A has really shitty animation" or "There's a shitload of new anime this season" or "Character A is batshit crazy", to mention some examples of common expressions one might find in the forums.
This is what I imagined the rule meant: don't swear too much for no reason and don't insult other people, that sounds perfectly reasonable to me. Let's all be honest, many of us swear quite a lot in this forum (I forum-searched "shit" with no other filters and got 2295 hits), so it really jumped out to see such a harmlessly used swear word getting censored. It's a very minor thing, and I suppose the new mods will take some time adapting to their role, so I just wanted to bring it up out of curiosity (the post in question isn't mine, fwiw) |
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mdo7
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Just to clarify willag, many of ANN users are American/Canadian (that include me) so we don't use arsehole (I know it's used by chaps in the UK and Aussies) and we (as in Americans) might not know or familiar with that word (unless if they watch a lot of shows on BBC America) because American and British/Australian English are different, just to let you know. |
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CrowLia
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^Dude, I'm not even a native speaker and I know the word, it's not like it's so far removed from the American equivalent
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Errinundra
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Generally I'm not bothered ny profanities. I'm much more concerned about how they're being used and at whom they're being directed.
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configspace
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I'm worried about over enthusiastic moderation. ANN was pretty good for a general/mainstream forum, and mods only stepped in on personal attacks or when things strayed way off topic. ANN is somewhere in between the more free MAL forums and the more restrictive CR forums.
But posts expressing displeasure about a subject even when it's inflammatory shouldn't caused you to be moderated. Like this. I completely disagree with the poster, but I thought there was nothing that required stepping in, especially after only one post. I don't think mods should be shaping the tone of the discussion at all (i.e. how you say something). There's a danger where it ends up being selective and too subjective. |
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st_owly
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If you read why, that poster has a history of making inflammatory remarks, so I think it was justified in this case. For a first offender, it probably wouldn't be.
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Crisha
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We're still trying to determine where the middle ground is between moderation, but neither are we giving out warnings just based on one post. Wojtini's previous post was in this article stating that it was a good thing that the actor died so that he didn't have to narrate for Fairy Tail anymore. He's had problematic previous posts as well. If someone's sole contributions to the forum are going to be offensive, baiting one-liners, I don't think it's unreasonable to warn them and consider putting them on moderation.
Also, we've been pretty active in the staff forum, asking each other's opinions on how to handle certain complaints or problem users. |
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Zac
ANN Executive Editor
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Yeah, it's important to remember that a lot of moderation happens after a string of encounters with a troublemaker. People tell me I'm being unfair for kicking someone out after screaming obscenities and pooping on the floor, and then I have to point out that I was patient with this guy's floor-pooping for a year before this and was tired of cleaning up after it.
One or two crappy one-liners isn't going to bring the mod hammer. An entire history of crappy fight-baiting one-liners will. |
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mdo7
Posts: 6729 Location: Katy, Texas, USA |
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Well, you'll be surprised, a language barrier does exist between American and British/Australian English just like there are language barriers between Latin American Spanish and European Spanish. |
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Redbeard 101
Oscar the Grouch
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Not much to say that hasn't been said by my compatriots. I would add that beyond this particular user having a history of rude and inflammatory posts he also has a history of being reported by other users. When you have multiple users reporting the same person for the same behavior chances are there is a problem. Which in this user's case, as stated, there is a history of rude posts that lack substance as well. To further compound the issue the user in question continued on after being warned as well. I can almost guarantee you that if a user is warned and keeps up with the behavior they were warned about they are going to be admonished. If you ever feel you, or another user, was unfairly admonished, or if you have questions or concerns, you can always post about it as you have done with this post. Which btw thank you for doing so in a civil and polite manner, It is appreciated. We do try our best and we will listen to any questions or concerns. As willag mentioned we also have been trying our best to keep the staff section active and discuss any new or ongoing issues so we're all on the same page as much as possible. |
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CrowLia
Posts: 5530 Location: Mexico |
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I was pointing out that, even with that regional language barrier, I doubt many won't know that arsehole=asshole, regardless of which side of the Atlantic they are. There's literally a two-letter difference, I just think your "clarification" was pretty much unnecessary and it -along with your latest post- seemed a little bit condescending, as if you believed no one else in the form had the privilege of such rare knowledge |
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Galap
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As the person most involved with the run-in with that guy, I feel like I have to comment as well, even though what I have to say is essentially the same as what the other mods did.
In a vacuum, that post may have just gotten minor criticism, or even more likely I'd have let it go entirely, but that particular poster just the day before made that post about the guy dying (which I mentioned when I talked to him) that was completely terrible. Then I looked into his history and saw that most of his posts were one-liners that were negative and worded in such a way as to make them ripe to cause strife, and many of them had been deleted or edited, indicating a history of moderator action. So at this point, in my head this guy is now entering the territory of getting himself in a bit of trouble. So I told him to cut it, and he responded by coming back at me. Now I feel that I have gathered enough evidence that this poster is just going to be a problem unless they're restricted, so I put them on moderation. It's worth saying that another thing that factored in in addition to their history of bad posts was their lack of history of good posts. I'll cut someone more slack if they also sometimes post things that really contribute meaningful content even if they also have a tendency to make crappy posts. I think Tempest put it best:
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configspace
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Ok I understand better now. Thanks for the explanation and assurances
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Snomaster1
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I know this is long overdue but I'd like to wish the mods good luck and congratulations to becoming mods. I know I'll never become a mod but it's good that those like Psycho 101 and others like them are looking around trying to keep things in order. I'm happy for you guys.
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mdo7
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I've been monitoring the rookie moderators behavior and how they respond, and I'll say this: they're very good for rookies. They get a B+ so far. I'll give another grading assessment for our rookie next week. But they're doing a good job.
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