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egoist
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Group C-1
Kisuke Urahara, Bleach Group C-2 Akemi, SaiKano Group C-3 Armblast, Kiddy Grade Group C-4 Fool, Kaleido Star Group C-5 Straight Cougar, sCRYed At least up to the halfway mark Straight Cougar didn't really impress me or anything, but as the series went on his character began to be developed and started to get a fair share of the fights and plot. By the time the series ended he was the character who left the strongest impression, and during future re-watches I began to appreciate his role more and more. Group C-6 Doug, Kurau Phantom Memory Group C-7 Hajime Saito, Samurai X/Ruroni Kenshin titles (some) That bug is overly annoying and unnecessary, besides the fact that Inuyasha hardly listens to it. Would be more interesting to watch Inuyasha learning everything by himself rather than having to be taught about everything, and that's exactly where he fails as a shonen hero. So, yes, I do see Myoga as a big minus. Group C-8 Tomoyo Daidouji, Cardcaptor Sakura Group C-9 Sakae Jinnouchi, Summer Wars Group C-10 Nobuko “Nobu” Ishihara, Lovely Complex Group C-11 Hiko Seijiro, Ruroni Kenshin Group C-12 Rakushun, The Twelve Kingdoms Group C-13 Gilliam II, Outlaw Star Group C-14 Mao, Darker Than Black franchise Group C-15 Miss Yoshinoya, Hidamari Sketch Group C-16 Wakaba Tsukishima, Cross Game |
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Ggultra2764
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Here's what I have for current scores after 24 votes:
Match C-1: Kisuke Urahara leads 23-1. Match C-2: Akemi leads 14-10. Match C-3: Joun the Beekeeper leads 13-11. Match C-4: Fool leads 16-8. Match C-5: Straight Cougar leads 13-11. Match C-6: Doug leads 13-11. Match C-7: Tied 12-12. Match C-8: Tomoyo Daidouji leads 23-1. Match C-9: Sakae Jinnouchi leads 15-9. Match C-10: Maestro Stresemann leads 18-6. Match C-11: Hiko Seijuro leads 20-4. Match C-12: Rakashun leads 18-6. Match C-13: Dr. Irie leads 13-11. Match C-14: Mao leads 14-10. Match C-15: Kamaji leads 14-10. Match C-16: Wakaba Tsukishima leads 17-7. |
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farichada
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Gave it some thought, and I decided to change my vote in C-13.
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mow123
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While neither character impresses, the recent surge of votes for GIlliam is probably not without a good reason. I will give it a benefit of the doubt and change my vote to support them.
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ManOfRust
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Well, I hope I get this done in time. I meant to do this a while ago, but this week has been crazy.
Group C-1 Kisuke Urahara, Bleach vs. Chourou, Hare + Guu Urahara Group C-2 Cologne, Ranma ½ vs. Akemi, SaiKano Akemi. Group C-3 Armblast, Kiddy Grade vs. Joun the Beekeeper, The Beast Player Erin Joun the Beekeeper Group C-4 Fool, Kaleido Star vs. Kokone Takatsu, Yokohama Kaidashi Kikou franchise Fool Group C-5 Akira Kogami, Lucky Star vs. Straight Cougar, sCRYed I didn't like sCRYed much at all, but Cougar was certainly one of its more memorable characters, despite being in a supporting role. Group C-6 Doug, Kurau Phantom Memory vs. Professor Itsuki Keizo, Moyashimon Isuki. Group C-7 Hajime Saito, Samurai X/Ruroni Kenshin titles (some) vs. Myoga, Inuyasha Gah. I hated Myoga, maybe more than any other character in Inuyasha. Saito, on the other hand, is a character I liked a lot. The one thing I will say about Saito in his support is that he helps to focus the ongoing storyline of Kenshin's continuing battle between living his life by his new convictions or returning to his manslayer ways and destroying who he has become. Saito is convinced that in order to become powerful enough to beat Shishio, Kenshin must again become a manslayer. He becomes representative of the forces that want to pull Kenshin back to his old ways so that he can again gain power from the unrestrained unleashing of his abilities. Kenshin's other friends, including Hiko, are convinced that Kenshin can become even more powerful by following another path. As much as Myoga annoyed me though, and despite the fact that Saito is a great character, I have to give the vote to the flea. Beyond the comic relief, beyond the advice he gives to Inuyasha's party, he is one of the only true links to Inuyasha's demon past. He understands things that Inuyasha needs to know, and he can help Inuyasha to make the link back to ancestors on the demon side of his heritage. In terms of his impact on the group of main characters, I think he has slightly more than Saito does on the main group in Kenshin. Group C-8 Tomoyo Daidouji, Cardcaptor Sakura vs. Gouzaburou Seto, My Bride is a Mermaid Gouzaburou Seto. Group C-9 Mr. Cat, Princess Tutu vs. Sakae Jinnouchi, Summer Wars Mr. Cat Group C-10 Maestro Stresemann, Nodame Cantible vs. Nobuko “Nobu” Ishihara, Lovely Complex Nobu Group C-11 Hiko Seijiro, Ruroni Kenshin vs. Noboru Yamaguchi, Cromartie High School Hiko Seijiro. Group C-12 Rakushun, The Twelve Kingdoms vs. Kouichiro “Coach” Ohta, Gunbuster Rakushun Group C-13 Kyosuke Irie, When They Cry - Higurashi franchise vs. Gilliam II, Outlaw Star Kyosuke Irie. Group C-14 Mao, Darker Than Black franchise vs. Hitomi Kashiwa, Welcome to the NHK Mao. Group C-15 Kamaji, Spirited Away vs. Miss Yoshinoya, Hidamari Sketch Kamaji Group C-16 Wakaba Tsukishima, Cross Game vs. Vanilla, Kaiba Wakaba Tsukishima Last edited by ManOfRust on Mon May 10, 2010 11:00 pm; edited 1 time in total |
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Key
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Even before accounting for the last-minute vote changes (and ManOfRust's sneak-in vote), I have at least three discrepancies compared to Ggultra2764's tally. Posting results will be delayed for a few minutes while I double-check on C-7 in particular.
Last edited by Key on Mon May 10, 2010 10:59 pm; edited 1 time in total |
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zawa113
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I don't think that's necessarily true since most of them aren't giving reasons. I just suspect more people have seen some of Outlaw Star vs Higurashi, Dr. Irie is without a doubt the stronger of the two to me, and I've seen them both. |
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Ggultra2764
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I likely could have made some mistakes. Enough changing of votes have taken place this week when I tallied up scores and when I tallied up the second batch, egoist's voting led me to have to edit what I had from before. |
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mow123
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Hmm, while that's true by a small margin according to the encyclopedia on that this site. Sites such myanimelist.net rank When They Cry as substantially more popular than Outlaw Star. http://myanimelist.net/anime/934/Higurashi_no_Naku_Koro_ni When They Cry has over 55,000 members while Outlaw Star only has just over 20,000. http://myanimelist.net/anime/400/Outlaw_Star I do realize that the ANN number are more relevant because this is an ANN thread, but it is interesting that When They Cry is much more popular on a site that has far more members log what they have seen on their site. I think part of the reason behind that is that many ANN members including myself don't log the anime they have seen on this site, so those myanimelist numbers may still be relevant. It's a little surprising that series popularity differs so greatly from site to site. As for merits between the two characters, I have only seen Dr. Irie and I wasn't that impressed. |
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egoist
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Looking back at what some said: "Best Support" doesn't necessarily mean that we're voting for the character that helped the main characters the most, and what you're saying here is basically "This character offered more support, thus I'll be voting for him", am I mistaken? Last edited by egoist on Mon May 10, 2010 11:22 pm; edited 1 time in total |
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Key
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Round 1 Group C is now closed.
After double-checking, I discovered that the most crucial discrepancy between my and Ggultra2764's tallies was on my side. The other two were in match-ups spread enough that the discrepancy couldn't have an impact on the outcome. Thus I am certifying the following as official results: C-1: Kisuke Urahara stomps Chourou 24-1 C-2: Akemi def. Cologne 15-10 C-3: Joun the Beekeeper def. Armblast 15-10 C-4: Fool def. Kokone Takatsu 17-8 C-5: Straight Cougar edges out Akira Kogami 14-11 C-6: Doug squeaks by Prof. Itsuki 13-12 C-7: Myoga barely avoids getting pancaked by Hajime Saito 13-12 C-8: Tomoyo Daidouji obliterates Gouzaburou Seto 24-1 C-9: Sakae Jinnouchi finishes strong to overtake Mr. Cat 15-10 C-10: Maestro Stresemann directs out Nobu 18-7 C-11: Hiko Seijiro goes samurai on Noboru Yamaguchi 21-4 C-12: Rakashun def. Coach Ohta 19-6 C-13: Gilliam II eliminates Kyosuke Irie in a stunning last-minute reversal 13-12! C-14: Mao def. Hitomi Kashiwa 15-10 C-15:Kamaji's extra arms prove too much for Miss Yoshinoya, 15-10 C-16: Wakaba def. Vanilla 19-6 So four matches ultimately got decided by three votes or less and more than half by five or less - not bad! The shocker is the mind-boggling victory by Gilliam II - really, I'd like to know what people were thinking here since no Gilliam supporting posted supporting arguments. We only had one person whose votes had to be negated for not following the new rule. Unfortunately that person's votes getting cut did affect the outcome of C-7 and C-13. SO MAKE SURE YOU PAY ATTENTION TO THE RULES NEXT TIME, EPIC!!! Oh, and if anybody thinks they can do a better Guide write-up on any of the Group A-C survivors than what we already have for those individuals, I will entertain such updates via PM for the next week or so. It has to be something that's actually more expansive than what currently exists, though, or I won't even consider it. The last Group of Round 1 is ready to go and so should be posted momentarily. |
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Key
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Round 1 Group D is now closed.
Final results can be seen here. We had many fairly close matches last time and I think we’ll have a big batch of them this time, too. Some of these I am particularly looking forward to. Keep in mind that most of the Guide entries are either straight-up or slightly fleshed out versions of the write-ups that I have been provided for the characters. If you find one of them inadequate and wish to write a better entry, PM it to me and I’ll consider updating the file for that character. Oh, and the “must make a significant argument about at least one match” rule from last group is now permanent. Don’t forget it this time! Group D-1 Kuu, Haibane Renmei vs. Pero, Metropolis Group D-2 Autor, Princess Tutu vs. Walter C. Dornez, Hellsing franchise Group D-3 Osono, Kiki’s Delivery Service vs. Minoru Kokubunji, Chobits Group D-4 Jiriya, Naruto franchise vs. Kikyo, Inuyasha Group D-5 Meme Oshino, Bakemonogatari vs. Shuuei Ran, The Story of Saiunkoku Group D-6 Tanda, Moribito – Guardian of the Spirit vs. Peter Spikes, Starship Operators Group D-7 Euphemia li Brittania, Code Geass vs. Mrs. Ichinose, Maison Ikkoku Group D-8 Kaname Chidori, Koi Kaze vs. Patrick Colasour, Gundam 00 Group D-9 Kyoji Ida, Millenium Actress vs. Nagi, Time of Eve Group D-10 Ami Kawashima, Toradora! vs. Norman Burg, The Big O Group D-11 Reira Serizawa, NANA vs. Osamu Akaishi, Cross Game Group D-12 Pedro, Excel Saga vs. The Colonel, Akira Group D-13 Akio Furukawa, Clannad franchise vs. Mr. Yotsuya, Maison Ikkoku Group D-14 Miwako Sakurada, Paradise Kiss vs. Seitaro Sakaki, Patlabor franchise Group D-15 Gai Daigoji/Jiro Yamada, Martian Successor Nadesico vs. Yasushi “Yasu” Takagi, NANA Group D-16 Minoru Shiraishi, Lucky Star vs. Wizardmon, Digimon franchise Last edited by Key on Mon May 17, 2010 11:41 pm; edited 1 time in total |
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Key
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Group D-1
Kuu, Haibane Renmei vs. Pero, Metropolis Pero played a significant role in Metropolis, but Kuu was one of the top vote-getters in the nominations phase and based on the comments I remember, it wasn't without reason. Thus I will give her the benefit of the doubt for now. Group D-2 Autor, Princess Tutu vs. Walter C. Dornez, Hellsing franchise Autor is probably the character in PT that I hate the most, but that isn't the only reason I'm voting for Walter instead. He has a cool combination of classy British servant and combat-monster cockiness that Autor just can't match and comes into the picture much earlier in his series (regardless of which version you prefer), so he has a presence and impact in the story for a longer period of time. That Alucard respects him and Seras Victoria can be brought back from the brink just by a shout from him also speak well in his favor. Group D-3 Osono, Kiki’s Delivery Service vs. Minoru Kokubunji, Chobits This is a tough one, since it sounds like both are critical supporters for the main protagonists (I've only seen Chobits) and interesting characters on their own, too. Really, they have the same relative strengths, so I have to call this one just on personal preference: Minoru. I will be disappointed if this one isn't close, though. Group D-4 Jiriya, Naruto franchise vs. Kikyo, Inuyasha For me, this is the most interesting and tense match-up of the entire first round and joins D-3 as the most difficult pick of the group. Both are irregularly-appearing characters who have big impacts when they are present and crucial relationships with the title characters of their respective series (one as a mentor, the other as a love interest he can't forget as much as he tries). Both have impressive powers and are quite capable of kicking butt but also have distinct weaknesses (Kikyo's dependence on souls to maintain her undead form, Jiraiya's overactive libido). Both also have personality factors which make them interesting to watch, albeit for utterly different reasons (Jiraiya's comic relief vs. Kikyo's tragic aspect and the way her personality gets warped by dying from a seeming betrayal). It's a tough call, but ultimately I have to give the edge to Kikyo because she has a stronger and more compelling story. But really, would anyone else like to see these two duke it out in some "what if" scenario? Kikyo's spirit arrows could dispel Jiraiya's toads and jutsu creations, and while he wouldn't have a good defense against her attacks, he would have the definite edge if it came down to hand-to-hand. . . Group D-5 Meme Oshino, Bakemonogatari vs. Shuuei Ran, The Story of Saiunkoku I liked General Ran; he's an appealing guy. I question whether he actually does enough to deserve a win here, though. Thus I will give Meme the benefit of the doubt even though I haven't seen his series. Group D-6 Tanda, Moribito – Guardian of the Spirit vs. Peter Spikes, Starship Operators No question here. Peter has enough creds that he might have a chance against lesser competition, but Tanda has to be considered one of the top contenders in this group. What he does in Moribito is practically the embodiment of what it means to be a great supporting character: always there to help out, back up, and have a relationship with the lead yet rarely taking the spotlight himself. I've seen both series, guys n' gals, and can attest that this one should not be close. Group D-7 Euphemia li Brittania, Code Geass vs. Mrs. Ichinose, Maison Ikkoku This is also a tricky one. I really like what I saw in the Guide entry for Mrs. Ichinose and still don't feel that Euphie is one of the strongest options from CG, but it's hard to deny that she certainly makes her presence felt in the series in a big way, taking on a degree of responsibility and initiative which seems beyond what characters with her personality type can normally accomplish. It's also undeniable that her climactic moment, and the way she struggled in vain to stop it, ranks very high on anime's all-time list for Most Gut-Wrenching scenes, or that her actions at that point had a major impact on events that followed. This, for sheer presence and story impact, Euphie gets my vote for now. Group D-8 Kaname Chidori, Koi Kaze vs. Patrick Colasour, Gundam 00 Patrick sounds like an entertaining character, but the role this Kaname Chidori played in her series was much more important and integrally involved in the main plot. Group D-9 Kyoji Ida, Millenium Actress vs. Nagi, Time of Eve Kyoji got a lot of votes in the nomination phase and I never understood why. In fact, I think he's the most overrated character coming out of the nominations phase, and Nagi sounds like she has enough going for her for me to justify picking her over the cameraman. Group D-10 Ami Kawashima, Toradora! vs. Norman Burg, The Big O Norman's cool and all, but combat-ready butlers are hardly rare in anime (see Walter, above - geez, can you imagine picking that match-up?). Characters like Ami come along once in a blue moon in anime romantic comedies and dramas, though; in fact, the only other anime character I can think of who compares well with her is Yukino Miyazawa from Kare Kano. She is deliberately and methodically two-faced in order to maximize her appeal with the crowd, displays a great deal of insight when not acting ditzy, and grows tremendously as a character over the course of the series. Toradora! would have still been a very good series without her, but her presence elevates the series to "one of the best of its type" status. The same can't be said for Norman. Group D-11 Reira Serizawa, NANA vs. Osamu Akaishi, Cross Game While I have seen all of CG, I haven't seen deep enough into NANA to be familiar enough with Reira to make a comparison, so I consulted someone I know who is a big fan of both series. He said that, as great a character as Reira is, she doesn't have the degree of influence on her series that Akaishi has on his and isn't anywhere near as likable. That's enough reason for me. Group D-12 Pedro, Excel Saga vs. The Colonel, Akira Oooh, another tough one here. While the Colonel unquestionably has a more direct and thorough impact on the story in Akira, he doesn't have half the personality that Pedro does and it's really, really hard to ignore how wonderfully the latter works as a pathetic comedy-generating figure. Group D-13 Akio Furukawa, Clannad franchise vs. Mr. Yotsuya, Maison Ikkoku I know Akio much better than Mr. Yotsuya, but even factoring that out Akio is at least as entertaining and colorful and is much more important to his franchise and has a better story backing him, too. He should win easy here. Group D-14 Miwako Sakurada, Paradise Kiss vs. Seitaro Sakaki, Patlabor franchise I know Miwako is an important figure in PK, but I've always been a fan of the "old man" of Patlabor, and he's worthy of advancing anyway, so Seitaro gets my vote. Group D-15 Gai Daigoji/Jiro Yamada, Martian Successor Nadesico vs. Yasushi “Yasu” Takagi, NANA Another tough one. I have seen enough of NANA to know how well Yasu fits into the picture and how important he is, and would probably pick him instead in many other potential match-ups but Gai is an iconic character who, in a sense, is the living embodiment of all of the craziness, high spirits, and self-parody that is MSN. The ongoing impact he has during his relatively short appearance is massive. Group D-16 Minoru Shiraishi, Lucky Star vs. Wizardmon, Digimon franchise Don't think Minoru has a big enough presence, or is entertaining enough, to justify advancing here. Thus it's Wizardmon for me. Last edited by Key on Mon May 10, 2010 11:29 pm; edited 1 time in total |
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mow123
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Egoist makes a good point just because the a supporting character supports the main character doesn't make them a strong contender. I also disagree with the assertion that characters with larger roles should be favored over those with smaller roles as long they are equally strong in the presence, impact and ability to contribute to the enjoyment factor of the series categories. |
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ManOfRust
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Well, I don't think Myoga is a strong contender overall, I just think he added more to the story, played a more important role, and made more of an overall impact in Inuyasha than Saito did in Kenshin. Don't get too hung up on the single fact that I said I thought Myoga was more supportive of the main characters. That was one reason I chose him, but not the only reason. |
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