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Greed1914
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Posted: Wed Nov 20, 2024 12:45 pm
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I was skeptical when I found out this was going to be CGI, but Orange continues to show that CGI anime is doable if all the pieces are there.
Maybe I'm getting my hopes up or reading too much into the way things ended, but I came out of this feeling like this was something of a prequel to the Trigun of the past. A few too many things about the season finale lined up with where things started in the first anime.
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YackDe
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Posted: Wed Nov 20, 2024 1:05 pm
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Greed1914 wrote: | I was skeptical when I found out this was going to be CGI, but Orange continues to show that CGI anime is doable if all the pieces are there.
Maybe I'm getting my hopes up or reading too much into the way things ended, but I came out of this feeling like this was something of a prequel to the Trigun of the past. A few too many things about the season finale lined up with where things started in the first anime. |
The whole relationship between Vash and Meryl (and turning Meryl into a damsel) clashes pretty heavily and makes it obvious it's not a prequel to the better show.
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tintor2
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Posted: Wed Nov 20, 2024 1:26 pm
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I guess this reboot is quite darker than than the original. Just by comparing the intro themes, you see a different side of Vash's character. The original series from Madhouse had far more comical scenes than the manga itself to the point in one episode Vash breaks the fourth wall. What I don't get well is the handling of the ending Vash already made peace with his own philosophy when facing Knives in a similar fashion to a scene from Trigun Maximum. Vash also defeats Knives in quite a big fight. What could season 2 be about? Knives is somehow alive and wants more fights?
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Top Gun
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Posted: Wed Nov 20, 2024 2:46 pm
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I loved Trigun way back in the day--it was actually the very first anime series I watched in proper order from start to finish--and I've loved Orange's work on their other series I've seen. (Someone please, please pay them to make more Land of the Lustrous...) But I never felt much of an urge to check this one out. It'd be one thing if the project had been a full Trigun Maximum adaptation that fans have wanted for years, since that would be interesting in the same way that FMA Brotherhood was. But instead the production committed big resources and Orange's prodigious talents to...some random original story. It feels like a big missed opportunity.
And most importantly, it doesn't have Best Girl Milly. That's unforgivable.
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Stelman257
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Posted: Wed Nov 20, 2024 3:35 pm
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I still remember last year when the final scene of the first episode dropped and everyone lost their minds at how insanely good it looked. And then just the sheer unanimous joy at Johnny Yong Bosch reprising his role as Vash when they announced the dub. Few things spark that level of just pure wholesome happiness to even casual outside observers.
Definitely sold me on the collectors set, picking that up asap.
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whiskeyii
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Posted: Wed Nov 20, 2024 6:45 pm
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YackDe wrote: | and makes it obvious it's not a prequel to the better show. |
Genuinely not sure what you’re talking about here. As someone who also saw Classic Trigun as an adult, this was very clearly setting itself up as a sequel to a retelling of the Classic Trigun story. That’s why Milly is teased at the end, why Meryl has a “new” partner, and why Vash’s bounty is suspiciously low, among other things.
Anyways, I actually only saw this after attending a Trigun panel hosted by Studio Orange themselves and while I initially didn’t have much interest in it, I figured it would be a fun way to spend a long weekend as the one Studio Orange show I hadn’t finished yet. And I actually enjoyed it way more than I thought I would! I think it’s very approachable for newcomers, and I think it explores concepts and lore that the Classic version didn’t really touch on, which I like.
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pachy_boy
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Posted: Wed Nov 20, 2024 8:03 pm
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Animation aside, the one element that I felt made Stampede superior to the original anime is that it did away with Vash's "loveable lech" personality, a screamingly dated way of making the protagonist we're supposed to root for "entertaining".
That aside, Millie absolutely felt missed--replacing her with a grumpy geezer was supposed to be an improvement of some kind? But thanks to her name-drop in this series's final episode, now we know all we have to do is be patient for the follow-up.
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Errinundra
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Posted: Thu Nov 21, 2024 1:39 am
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Posts removed. Talk about the show, not each other.
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tintor2
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Posted: Thu Nov 21, 2024 8:41 am
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I remember Boichi once drew his own Trigun oneshot about what happens after Maximum with Vash having completely black hair as a result of overusing his Angel Arm. The story involves an apparent sister so that could be potential content for a season two rather than Knives again
Also, there is something about Trigun's promotion that sometimes confuses. I often see Vash with a black coat as action figures but I'm pretty sure he always wears red. Is it just promotion for a figurine?
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trilaan
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Posted: Fri Nov 22, 2024 5:38 am
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Greed1914 wrote: | I came out of this feeling like this was something of a prequel to the Trigun of the past. A few too many things about the season finale lined up with where things started in the first anime. |
Yes, it's something of a prequel. Originally, in the manga and anime, we got bits and pieces of the story from before the crashing of the ships to the destruction of July. Trigun Stampede takes that and blends it with post-July events and characters. And it does so in a way that I personally think works, at least from a story perspective. But I also realize this means changes to the familiar story when Stargaze begins.
tintor2 wrote: | The original series from Madhouse had far more comical scenes than the manga itself to the point in one episode Vash breaks the fourth wall. |
I read in an interview once, I think it was on an old Trigun fansite called Make A Little Lightbulb in Your Soul...by Sumire, that the director, Satoshi Nishimura, wanted to stretch out the lighter, more humorous tone of the early manga parts(including adding filler episodes to the beginning), which is why there's more comedy in the anime. Vash breaks the 4th wall once in the manga, too. In the same place as the anime, I think.
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What could season 2 be about? Knives is somehow alive and wants more fights? |
I'm going to assume the same thing will happen that did in the manga, Knives has survived what happened in July(aka Julai) but most of his body was destroyed and had to be regenerated.
tintor2 wrote: | often see Vash with a black coat as action figures but I'm pretty sure he always wears red. Is it just promotion for a figurine? |
The black variant figure from Kaiyodo! I used to have one. Very cool. As far as I know it was just a sort of "What if Vash was evil?" kinda thing.
Top Gun wrote: | It'd be one thing if the project had been a full Trigun Maximum adaptation that fans have wanted for years...But instead the production committed big resources and Orange's prodigious talents to...some random original story. It feels like a big missed opportunity.
And most importantly, it doesn't have Best Girl Milly. That's unforgivable. |
I wanted the Brotherhood treatment, too. But this still works for me. I do enjoy seeing how Meryl became a tough as nails senpai for Milly and when she shows up next season, I will probably get up and hug my TV. I missed you, big girl!
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King Chicken
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Posted: Fri Nov 22, 2024 6:34 pm
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I was not a fan of the CG animation and thought it looked dreadful, but I might have dealt with it had it been a proper adaption of the manga or at least a continuation of the original anime. I would have been fine with something like Badlands Rumble which was a side-story for the original anime. In traditional animation as well, of course.
I'm not the biggest Milly fanboy myself but I do find the decision to omit her to be odd given she was a fan favorite. Re-design and re-work her character like they did the other characters, sure, but to omit her entirely seemed like such a strange decision and I'm not surprised it drew the ire of so many fans. Imagine if they just completely omitted Wolfwood or Legato.
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BadNewsBlues
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Posted: Fri Nov 22, 2024 6:43 pm
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King Chicken wrote: | I'm not the biggest Milly fanboy myself but I do find the decision to omit her to be odd given she was a fan favorite. Re-design and re-work her character like they did the other characters, sure, but to omit her entirely seemed like such a strange decision and I'm not surprised it drew the ire of so many fans. Imagine if they just completely omitted Wolfwood or Legato. |
Except Wolfwood & Legato are story relevant characters who actually serve important purposes in the narrative. Milly does much of nothing in either version of the story besides randomly hook up with Wolfwood [off screen] with zero build up. And get knocked up apparently.
Which regardless of anyone’s feeling on Stampede that’s at least one thing Stargaze should fix.
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