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kokonoe
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So true. I had high expectations on this show given ANN's ratings, only to be terribly disappointed. I daresay I liked Sakura Trick better. |
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ecchigas
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same category as "shit on ice"
trash |
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#879909
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İ watch Black Clover.... İ am not even picky İ still don't watch this, i simply find homosexuals in animes weird. Simple as that, your assumption: crashed |
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Afezeria
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MJKS
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Okay, let's do get into the technicalities of incest.
1. I don't consider Yuzu and Mei's relationship incestuous. There's been a sexual facet to their relationship for almost its entire duration, from when they met at the age of 16. It goes without saying that the manner in which that sexual connection was established is itself problematic; but for a different reason. 2. The notion that YuzuMei is incestuous is essentially predicated on the fact that they cohabitate. So let's game out some alternate scenarios to test that position. (a) Instead of in their bedroom after being re-introduced to each other as stepsisters, Mei's sexual assault on Yuzu occurs before this point. For argument's sake, they encounter each other in the apartment complex's elevator lobby, before being apprised of their new living situation, and it happens there. The relationship proceeds as depicted in the story afterward. Is this incest? (b) After some time apart, Yuzu runs into a childhood friend who she always thought of as a younger sister. After spending some time together, the friend professes romantic feelings for Yuzu, and kisses her under questionable circumstances. Is this incest? (c) Yuzu becomes fast friends with a kindred spirit at school. They develop a bond which might be described as "sisterhood". Eventually they fall in love, and become romantically involved. Is this incest?* 3. I rest my case. Go where your pure gay heart desires, Yuzu, even if it really should be toward Harumin *Really though, I think you're right, Micchy and Steve. Even as a non-shipper, I'm shipping the gyaru duo. The show totally should be about the two of them. But instead, poor Yuzu is stuck dealing with (a) and (b).
I had taken to thinking of it as "trash, but beautifully-lacquered trash", but a painting does work as well. |
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Ggultra2764
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I have no personal problem with seeing yuri and incest in anime played out if told well enough. However, the core problem I had with Citrus as a whole when I ditched it is that it doesn't respectfully and seriously handle its material as well as the other questionable relationship found in After the Rain. Much like other anime of its ilk, the characters of Citrus are too shallow or unlikeable to give a hoot about with Mei's passive-aggressive interest in Yuzu, with some of her actions bordering on sexual harassment. It also seems the series introduces other characters who mostly exist as selfish characters intervening to attempt getting one of the characters in the main relationship all to themselves, no different from other romance melodramas like it. I have no interest in wanting to continuing on with the series if its characters are unlikable and its developments play out no differently from other romance melodramas I've seen in one point or another in the past.
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HeeroTX
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So... heterosexual, pseudo-incest stories = trash, "who would watch this"
homosexual, pseudo-incest (with a dash of abuse) stories = "nuanced, not for everyone, but enjoyable if you're into it" Am I following that right? |
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Cptn_Taylor
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Don't lose your sleep over it man. We know how ANN goes. 
Nevertheless it's funny to see a piece of trash dealing with INCEST ( and not just any kind of incest, the homosexual lesbian incest. The best kind, the one that makes you feel that all is right in the world and makes you want to beet down those angry heteronormative males) being hailed as nuanced, special, artsy etc.... 
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Mohawk52
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This story is 10pence a baker's dozen in hentailand.
But one person's trash is another's treasure. It's all in the eye. |
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corinthian
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No, you're not. Steve admitted to actually enjoying Yosuga no Sora. People on both sides seem generally inflamed by the label "trash," so it may be worth noting here that it's okay to like trashy things. You can enjoy something while admitting it is bad, dumb, or lazy. My main obstacle for the series is something I vaguely remember Erica Friedman at Okazu saying when Citrus was first coming out in Japanese: Yuzu and Mei's relationship doesn't make either of them happy. I see confusion, depression, maybe a little arousal. Nothing really sells me on why these two should get together, much less why I should care whether they are are not. I mean, I'm still watching, but... |
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Blood-
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That's a good point. Their relationship seems relentlessly joyless. Maybe that changes at some point, but too late for me to care.
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Gatherum
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The thing that separates this from most "incest" tales is that it's just about as far from being incestuous as you can get and still be a step-sibling cohabitation premise. It's not tolerable just because it's yuri; it's tolerable because it's not framed as cheap fan service trash to titillate people who like seeing taken women black-mailed in to sex by sleazy men, and doesn't feature a pair of biologically related or unrelated siblings who are after each other's asses after [expletive] growing up together--nor is it about an ostensibly well-meaning teen-age boy who feels that his imōto is all he needs.
Citrus begins as a story about an emotionally broken girl--engaged to a piece of shit who wants her family's money and status--who understandably doesn't comprehend what love is and acts accordingly, nearly suffocating her new big step-sister with one of the most disconcerting advances outside of the aforementioned hentai and ecchi fan service dumpster fires I've seen for a while. For Yuzu's part, she is also unaccustomed to what love is and what sexual assault looks like, and hasn't the faintest clue of how to respond. It's displeasing to watch, but I can appreciate what it's doing entirely because it's framed to be as such, and isn't there to get my sleazy fangirl juices flowing. Yes, I understand that there will be some shit viewers with shit taste who will fap to it anyway. Not much you can do about that, honestly. Now, if you have trouble stomaching that kind of thing, that's okay; I can relate. There's a reason I don't watch netorare, regardless of how aroused I can get. Similarly, I can also understand if the main romantic plot line and its surrounding characters aren't doing it for you. I'm finding it more compelling as a romantic drama than most of its ilk, but even I can already see that it's rather meh in the grand scheme of things and probably won't be moved to a buy, love for yuri or not. But let's not pretend that this is the same thing as any of the other aforementioned backwards trash we consume on a regular basis. Taking that position is basically a short-cut for those who are content with impulsively responding to anything half-way sexual in anime as your usual egregious, garden-variety fan service. Frankly, they'd be better off just admitting that they don't [expletive] care about any of this. Last edited by Gatherum on Thu Feb 22, 2018 12:17 am; edited 3 times in total |
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TarsTarkas
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Maybe I am misunderstanding you, but this show would be something ‘angry heteronormative males’ would love.
This is Anime, they are lucky to 'have' parents.
Welcome to the real world, there are plenty of those mysteries out here. The answer may simply be, that something internally clicked inside of Yuzu, with no rhyme or reason, and love bloomed. Yuzu herself may not even know why. It just is. The mysterious of love, and lots of heartbreak. |
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darkchibi07
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I'm hoping of what's considered successful for the production committee is significant increase of the manga sales and streaming numbers since Crunchyroll is co-producing Citrus, and that'll determine if this will gets a S2. |
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Donk
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"First of all, why is this show not about Yuzu and her stealth gyaru friend?"
I couldn't agree more. That would have been much better. I do like the show as is, but it certainly isn't sophisticated plot that's it's strong points. But I didn't expect that either. But "stealth gyaru" is a fabulous term, and stealth+gyaru should = impossible, but she somehow pulls it off 
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