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walw6pK4Alo
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People give so much shit about how obsolete and useless these behemoths were, but Musashi took more hits than all of the battleships at Pearl Harbor combined. Japan might done better if they converted all of the resources and energy to more aircraft carriers, but nothing was going to help the incompetency in the IJN's leadership, and the lack of fuel, and the lack of veteran pilots by the end of the war. They let these ships sit at anchor instead of putting them to work, but imagine if they had had a post-war career like the Iowas did. Not obsolete, just mishandled.
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MarshalBanana
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Yeah I have a fondness for these WWI and II battleships. When naval battles were fought by heavily armoured ships firing at each other until one blew up. Dam submarines had to ruin it. |
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walw6pK4Alo
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Torpedos ruined everything, even Jutland. Jellicoe didn't pursue the retreating Germans because he feared they'd launch torpedoes.
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mdo7
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This is very interesting to read. Will check it out when I have a chance.
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jl07045
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He lost the range in the evening, because he chose to evade a torpedo attack that was already taking place. What made him stop the pursuit was not having a reliable intel about the German whereabouts until the next morning, when they were already far away. |
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Alan45
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walw6pK4Alo Wrote:
But they were obsolete and doomed. It didn't matter how many hits it took, without air cover the Musashi was doomed. The last run of her sister ship the Yamato was a suicide run to keep her from being captured. The reason for existence of the battleship was to fight other battleships. With the advent of the aircraft carrier that simply wasn't going to happen unless one or both sides messed up. Yes the Iowa was useful for shore bombardment in VN but not so useful as to justify building the ship if it hadn't been already available. I can still remember when we passed the Iowa at sea off Cape Henry. She was beautiful. |
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dtm42
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Musashi and Yamato were awesome vessels, the only Super Battleships ever made. Not just enormous, they were also beautiful, and wonderful feats of engineering. But unfortunately they suffered from numerous design flaws - not surprising, given that no-one had ever attempted anything like them before - and contributed very little to the war effort. The Japanese would have been better off placing those gigantic 18.1" cannons, the scores of AA guns and the stupendous armour belts onto various islands around the Pacific in the form of impregnable fortifications. It wouldn't have saved the Japanese but it would have been a far better use of resources than to build two expensive and impractically oversized battleships.
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Alan45
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The Musashi had its chance at Leyte Gulf. If the admiral hadn't lost his nerve it and its supports could have raised a lot of havoc at the beachhead and against any of the older battleships sent to counter it. It would have been sunk anyway, but it would have gone down covered in glory instead of just sinking.
I'm just as glad it didn't. I think my uncle was part of the invasion force and got a few months more of life this way. |
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jree78
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The problem the Japanese had during ww2 was that they attacked the wrong country they should have invaded Russia for oil instead of the South Pacific. Half the world would be speaking German, Italian, and Japanese so it was the best thing for the world that they did not.
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otakunomike
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The Yamato could have had a chance at Leyte, the Musashi was sunk on the way to the battle. Arguably the loss of the Musashi the day before helped unhinge Admiral Kurita enough that when Taffy-3 put up its valiant last stand he didn't want to risk fighting on. Indubitably if her breaks through at Samar then the Yamato and the rest of the Central Fleet would have absolutely devastated the marines on Leyte.
On a more purely theoretical observation, the Japanese never should have been even that close to succeeding at Leyte but Halsey was such an arrogant madman he pulled the Third Fleet (which was responsible for the sinking of the Musashi and had the airpower to take out the rest of the fleet) away chasing after Japanese carriers that lacked any more places. If Halsey stays where he's supposed to be then the Battle of Leyte turns into an even worse massacre for the Japanese than it became in reality |
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Uokel
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It wasn't to keep her from being captured it was to run her a ground and use her as an artillery platform |
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Alan45
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@Uokel
That was the plan, the idea was that she would die in battle rather than being captured anchored in port. There is some serious doubt that the people in charge actually thought she would get there though. Either way she wasn't expected to survive the process. |
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Mohawk52
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CoreSignal
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For better or worse, I don't think anything is sacred when it comes to anime. |
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Mohawk52
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