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aya_honda
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I can't believe it's almost down to the final characters round. It has passed so much time already?!
 Why?
Ok, never mind me! I can't wait the discussions about spoiler[Kakeru] as they will be most interesting. Ok, I'll wait for the offcial post!  
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fighterholic
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Welcome to Kakeru week! I hope that those of you with the English version have been doing your reading, because this guy packs a load of laughs as well as being somewhat like Yuki's brother when it comes to matters that are important.
Characters related to Kakeru: - Yuki - Machi - Tohru - Komaki - Kimi - Naohito - Ayame and Mine So he started off by being this guy who really got on Yuki's nerves the first time we see him. I was kind of clueless as to what he was trying to accomplish as well. But he later spoiler[befriends Yuki, and gets him to open up, to bring out secrets of Yuki that we never thought of. On top of that, Kakeru was an instrument in helping Yuki to get Machi to open up as well, to face her own demons, just like Yuki faced his.] So he was definetly an essential part of the story. Edit: Tagged Last edited by fighterholic on Thu Jun 07, 2007 11:57 pm; edited 1 time in total |
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aya_honda
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Yes, I too asked myself as to which is his part in all this. spoiler[ The fact that succeeds in making Yuki open up is just a small part of what he does, because I think that he was the one who made Yuki aware of what he actully feels for Tohru: that it was just a simple brotherly love. And if I am not mistaken Kakeru was also the one to make him realise that actually it was Kyo who was in love with Tohru and vice-versa. I loved the way the things combined with thios guys, but let's say the truth here: Kakeru is a colourful character and quite essential to the story.]
I laughed so hard when spoiler[Kakeru went to Kyo and apologized for what he said though Kyo didn't have a clue who was Kakeru at the time.] |
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fighterholic
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Yuki talked to Kakeru spoiler[like he never would have talked like to the other Zodiac, he told him things he didn't even tell Hatsuharu, because you would consider Hatsuharu Yuki's best friend within the Zodiac. We found out that Yuki felt a son-mother relationship towards Tohru, instead of what he thought there might be for a relationship. But Kakeru just listened, and helped him find a new way, including helping Machi out. And in the end Yuki ended up with Machi.]
When Kakeru spoiler[has his serious moments, he can be serious. But when there's the funny moments, this guy is all over the place. If you remember when Kakeru and Yuki went to Machi's apartment, Kakeru just let himself in while al the time Machi is telling him to go away. And then Kakeru handed Yuki Machi's underwear] 
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Ningensei
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Yay Kakeru! He is one of my favorite characters, especially for comedic relief. I remember when he was first introduced I wasn't sure what his role was going to be exactly. But now I am finding myself wishing for more scenes that involve the Student Council
Like when he spoiler[was arguing that the Council was a League for Justice or Self Defense and he wanted to be BLACK. The whole scene with them arguing about who was going to get which color was absolutely hilarious.] I also find it nice how he is someone tspoiler[hat Yuki can confide in. When Kakeru asked him if it was ok that the "orange guy" was going to steal Tohru, Yuki realized his feelings for Tohru were not in the boyfriend/girlfriend type as you guys have already said.] Oh, and aya honda, I also absolutely loved the part spoiler[where Kakeru apologized to Kyo...It was just too funny! ] It was also nice how spoiler[Yuki opened up to Kakeru about his abusive childhood, something that he cannot do so easily with other people.] |
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fighterholic
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Then spoiler[at the end, he got mad and said that the discussions of the colors was pointless, which Yuki then crossed out Kakeru's black color and was writing in "a very ugly looking muddy color"] spoiler[And Naohito was just sobbing while thinking that the whiteboard was being dirtied with such stupid statements]
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Ningensei
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Boo... I took a trip to my local Kinokuniya today hoping to come away with the newest English volume of Fruits Basket... Alas they didn't have them displayed yet. Usually this Kinokuniya puts out their new releases up to a week before the actual "street" release date, which has been true for the prior Furuba volumes I have purchased. Oh well, looks like I'll check back again next weekend, and hopefully they will be in, which they should because it will be after April 10. (I usually can't go during the weekdays what with classes in the mornings and afternoons and work in the evenings...oh woe is me...the trials and tribulations of attending a university
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Anyway, back to Kakeru, spoiler[I also thought it was quite interesting with Yuki's initial reactions and feelings toward him. How he was so unfocused(?), his laid back attitude, ignoring other people's ideas...I think that is how Yuki put it. And then he realized that Kakeru reminded him of somebody and then it popped in his head: Ayame! I think he was a little jealous of Kakeru at first because he was one of those personalities where people were just attracted to him, kind of like how Yuki felt about Kyo or Ayame. Yuki also felt inferior at first and thought that maybe he shouldn't be the President and that it should be someone like Kakeru.] |
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fighterholic
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I remember that. spoiler[Though easily Kakeru brought out personality and humor from Yuki. Interesting to see the one time they fought, it was like Kakeru reverted back to his old self. He kicked the muffins that Yuki was holding to the ground and seemed a little pissed at how Yuki was talking about himself and his feeling that he had no personality or whatever the cause was. But when Yuki admitted what was wrong with himself, Kakeru realized what he had done.]
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Ningensei
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Ah yes, I remember that part, it makes me realize that spoiler[Yuki and Kakeru seem to have a close bond, even when they fight. I liked the part when they were first getting to know each other and cleaning up the classroom that Machi destroyed. They kept wanting to talk to each other so they threw all the papers up in the air, Kakeru first, and then Yuki I think. Later it shows Naohito asking why the paperwork seems a bit worn out.
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I love all of Kakeru's antics, like how he spoiler[tricks the Yuki fan club girls into thinking there is a photo session with Yuki in order to save Machi. And how sometimes when they are talking about something serious and someone else comes by, like Kimi or Machi, and Kakeru tries to make it seem like they were talking about porn or something and that Yuki is a pervert ]
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fighterholic
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I find Kakeru's relationships with women to be interesting. Here's why:
Machi: spoiler[His half sister who he had to compete with to see who would take over from their father. He's always watched out and tried to help her, he knows her problems and the burdens that were laid on her, but even with that he still finds a way to tease her.] Kimi: spoiler[I would say their relationship is one of those brother-sister types. They seem to speak the same language though you wouldn't know what that would be. And he doesn't mind getting abused by Kimi when he says something dumb to Yuki.] Komaki: spoiler[His girlfriend, the Meat Angel. Likes to tease her about that as well. The only real fight that we see between them is when he said to Tohru that she's not the only one suffering, and that he's pissed off that everybody is feeling sorry for her. This hurt Komaki, who didn't want that at all. It took some time for him to figure out what he did, but when it happened, he and Komaki were able to reconcile.] Tohru: spoiler[He put it right into her face that she was not the only one suffering, and that she shouldn't feel sorry for herself, since Komaki's dad also died in the accident that killed Kyoko. Later on though we saw a conversation between Tohru and Kakeru, after all that time. This time though, the conversation went in a different direction, I think thankfully to the efforts of a lot of people to heal the wounds that were created between Tohru and Komaki.] |
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Ningensei
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Hmmm....Komaki has not been introduced in the English volume releases so far. I know in one of the more recent volumes Kakeru spoiler[tells Yuki that he has a girlfriend, but he doesn't really expand on that yet.]
Fighterholic, reading your spoilers has cleared some things up for me. When Kakeru is introduced he seems to bespoiler[ interested in Tohru for some reason and he states that he is interested but it was obvious to me that it was not in a romantic way.] So that part of the story makes sense now after reading your analysis. |
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aya_honda
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As we all agree, Kakeru is the one person that Yuki needed to have in order to become less closed up into his own demonized world of solitude and bad memories. It is inspiring even to see how people change themselves thanks to a friend (well, changes in a very good sense) but Kakeru also has a big problem: he had his own issues. spoiler[ The relationship that he has with Tohru shows a different side of him, I would have said a very selfish one. It's not the fact that he hasn't changed afterwards, after Komaki tells him that this is a horrible way of dealing with people. But I can still remember the fact that he talks to Tohru and tells her that she isn't the only one to be petied because she isn't the only one who suffers. What I think Kakeru misinterpret was the fact that Tohru kept a smiling face and tried to be nice in spite of the huge tragedy that she has suffered and Kakeru perhaps didn't understand her way with dealing with the pain. Nonetheless, it's not an excuse for the terrible things that he has said back then and I was happy when he finally understood that. ] And I think tis happens thanks to Yuki also. I belive that Kakeru has changed Yuki but the change has been produced vice-versa also.
What I loved very much was the paticular chapter which was focused on him: spoiler[ I can't remember what number, but it is focused on how Kakeru perceive all the others and it also is the first time when he introduces Komaki to Yuki. I loved that part because it was so obvious that Kakeru oves his grilfriend very much. Particularly I loved the way she was looking at her and how he behaved with her, though he likes very much to play tricks on her like lieing her that Yuki is a girl. ]
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murph76
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Yay!! Just bought vol. 16! Haven't had a chance to read it yet but it promises some new information about Tohru's parents. I have to leave for work soon, so hopefully I can crack into it later. I can't wait!
Anyhow, to Kakeru. spoiler[To me, he always seemed like a well-intended goof. Like he wants to be serious sometimes and help others, but can't turn off the silliness. Yuki and Machi seem to be the only two he can have a true serious conversation with, though with Machi he seems to be doing most of the talking. It sounds like Kakeru takes it too far the other way and became way too serious in the scene with Tohru that everyone's talking about.] -Murph |
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fighterholic
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More than likely spoiler[it came down to a big misunderstanding. Kakeru thought he was doing Komaki a favor by saying what he said to Tohru, which obviously wasn't the case and hurt Komaki's feelings about the whole issue. But I wonder how Tohru felt about being told that, because we never saw what happened to her right after that. When she first saw him she thought she'd seen him somewhere before, and then when the time came she remembered. But there didn't seem to be any hard feelings towards Kakeru, perhaps on the account that he was helping to change Yuki and that she appreciated it.]
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aya_honda
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Well, probably spoiler[ Tohru took it badly at the moment but then she was quite shocked still about what happened to her mother and I think that she didn't realized at the moment what happened therefore I think that this is why she didn't remember him at the beginning. If she would have remembered him from the very first glance, I would have guessed that what Kakeru said at that time hurt her terribly, but since that didn't happen.... I also oved what Komaki told him at the time, namely that the pain and the suffering of people can't be judged or compared fo it isn't something to be compared and though probably it took some time, I think that Kakeru understood that.]
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