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Ajc228
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Posted: Mon Mar 31, 2025 9:47 am
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It’s funny to me that Adult Swim poured all this money and resources into getting Watanabe to direct an expensive show for them with action choreography from the John Wick guy to hand the English ADR direction to such a cut-rate voiceover studio like Sentai Filmworks. They do some of the cheapest work with single-takes and terrible direction. All that money and they still couldn’t pony up for high quality ADR.
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Silver Kirin
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Posted: Mon Mar 31, 2025 10:57 am
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Ajc228 wrote: | It’s funny to me that Adult Swim poured all this money and resources into getting Watanabe to direct an expensive show for them with action choreography from the John Wick guy to hand the English ADR direction to such a cut-rate voiceover studio like Sentai Filmworks. They do some of the cheapest work with single-takes and terrible direction. All that money and they still couldn’t pony up for high quality ADR. |
Wow, I'm not a native English-speaker but though from the English langauge clips that I've seen of Lazarus it kind of sounds a bit generic, are all of Sentai's English dubs that bad? Because of the few dubs they made in Neutral Spanish, none of them were well received, especially since they sent them to Córdoba, Argentina a place where almost nobody knew it had a dub industry, so all of their dubs were done by unknown actors. And this sounds weird since I've always heard that Cowboy Bebop's English dub is held in high regard and with Lazarus being made by Shinichiro Watanabe, one would assume that [adult swim] would make sure that the English dub would be of high quality, since the show itself seems to have been made for a U.S. audience first, though I hope it's international dubs will be decent, but sadly, all of [adult swim] original anime Neutral Spanish dubs had their problems, with Uzumaki being the only one that was actually kind of decent... but even then it didn't make the show any better.
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Ajc228
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Posted: Mon Mar 31, 2025 11:25 am
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Silver Kirin wrote: |
Ajc228 wrote: | It’s funny to me that Adult Swim poured all this money and resources into getting Watanabe to direct an expensive show for them with action choreography from the John Wick guy to hand the English ADR direction to such a cut-rate voiceover studio like Sentai Filmworks. They do some of the cheapest work with single-takes and terrible direction. All that money and they still couldn’t pony up for high quality ADR. |
Wow, I'm not a native English-speaker but though from the English langauge clips that I've seen of Lazarus it kind of sounds a bit generic, are all of Sentai's English dubs that bad? Because of the few dubs they made in Neutral Spanish, none of them were well received, especially since they sent them to Córdoba, Argentina a place where almost nobody knew it had a dub industry, so all of their dubs were done by unknown actors. And this sounds weird since I've always heard that Cowboy Bebop's English dub is held in high regard and with Lazarus being made by Shinichiro Watanabe, one would assume that [adult swim] would make sure that the English dub would be of high quality, since the show itself seems to have been made for a U.S. audience first, though I hope it's international dubs will be decent, but sadly, all of [adult swim] original anime Neutral Spanish dubs had their problems, with Uzumaki being the only one that was actually kind of decent... but even then it didn't make the show any better. |
It’s unfair for me to say that all Sentai dubs are bad. However, most of the Sentai dubs I’ve listened to have been mostly mediocre to bad. The thing is: I don’t think it’s the actor’s fault-I’ve heard a lot of them give good performances with other voice over studios. I think it has to do with the amount of time they are given and the direction. Most English voice work for anime is done as cheaply and quickly as possible but Funimation seems to yield better results even if it isn’t always consistent. Union dubs from studio in New York and California tend to be of higher quality because they have a larger pool of talent and many times more attention is given to performances. Sentai dubs are often wooden and stilted. There seems to a flatness to a lot of their work that makes their work less engaging.
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meiam
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Posted: Mon Mar 31, 2025 11:45 am
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Seems like we're getting the best and worst of Watanabe. To me, he seems like a classic case of ''someone who's good at something, not realizing that doesn't make them good at everything'', he can direct fun action adventure, no question about that. But social commentary, he can't do. Terror in resonance is easily his weakest entry, so if we're getting cowboy bebop with a side of terror in resonance, I don't really see that working (like gulfing down perfectly cooked beacon slathered in vaseline or something).
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Dr. Wily
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Posted: Mon Mar 31, 2025 11:47 am
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the review wrote: | We're also living in a world where people in positions of authority continue to threaten the lives and livelihoods of non-white and non-cis people, so maybe it's appropriate for Lazarus to hit its audience over the head with how unfairly these groups are treated. |
Oh boy, can't wait to see people complain that Watanabe's gone woke.
Anyway, Watanabe's one of the few producers that get a "must watch" response from me so I'll be on the couch for sure this Saturday.
Silver Kirin wrote: |
Ajc228 wrote: | It’s funny to me that Adult Swim poured all this money and resources into getting Watanabe to direct an expensive show for them with action choreography from the John Wick guy to hand the English ADR direction to such a cut-rate voiceover studio like Sentai Filmworks. They do some of the cheapest work with single-takes and terrible direction. All that money and they still couldn’t pony up for high quality ADR. |
Wow, I'm not a native English-speaker but though from the English langauge clips that I've seen of Lazarus it kind of sounds a bit generic, are all of Sentai's English dubs that bad? |
They're not all bad (I actually quite like their English dub of Made In Abyss) but they're certainly not the best in the biz, that's for sure. Personally I don't know the processes that go into choosing which dubbing studios get picked for which anime but if it is Adult Swim's fault that Sentai was picked, I would probably blame that on the fact that WBD (their parent company) is run by the cheapest man alive, David Zaslav.
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Posted: Mon Mar 31, 2025 12:05 pm
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Where are these episodes being made available? I'm in Canada and I checked Adult Swim up here but it doesn't seem to have them nor does HiDive.
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Dr. Wily
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Posted: Mon Mar 31, 2025 12:11 pm
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Blood- wrote: | Where are these episodes being made available? I'm in Canada and I checked Adult Swim up here but it doesn't seem to have them nor does HiDive. |
These 5 were sent early to critics for review, the actual show premieres to us normies on April 5th at midnight on Adult Swim/Toonami, and comes to Max the next day (since midnight on the 5th is technically the 6th, I don't know if that means later in the day on the 6th or on the 7th). I don't know what streamers are distributing it in other countries.
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Posted: Mon Mar 31, 2025 12:19 pm
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Thanks for the info! Now I just have to figure out which showing is the sub so that I can PVR it and not the dub. I think with anime, the dub normally goes first and the sub right after it.
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levonr
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Posted: Mon Mar 31, 2025 1:03 pm
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Silver Kirin wrote: |
Wow, I'm not a native English-speaker but though from the English langauge clips that I've seen of Lazarus it kind of sounds a bit generic, are all of Sentai's English dubs that bad? |
They aren't bad but they're more inconsistent compared to the other studios. Also something is off about their sound quality, almost like its too compressed(even on Blu-ray). Maybe its bad mixing I don't know. Still they can make great dubs sometimes so I'll give Lazarus a try.
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Posted: Mon Mar 31, 2025 2:17 pm
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levonr wrote: |
Silver Kirin wrote: |
Wow, I'm not a native English-speaker but though from the English langauge clips that I've seen of Lazarus it kind of sounds a bit generic, are all of Sentai's English dubs that bad? |
They aren't bad but they're more inconsistent compared to the other studios. |
I could agree with this statement much more than the "Sentai = bad dub" claims.
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StarDango
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Posted: Mon Mar 31, 2025 2:20 pm
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Silver Kirin wrote: |
Ajc228 wrote: | It’s funny to me that Adult Swim poured all this money and resources into getting Watanabe to direct an expensive show for them with action choreography from the John Wick guy to hand the English ADR direction to such a cut-rate voiceover studio like Sentai Filmworks. They do some of the cheapest work with single-takes and terrible direction. All that money and they still couldn’t pony up for high quality ADR. |
Wow, I'm not a native English-speaker but though from the English langauge clips that I've seen of Lazarus it kind of sounds a bit generic, are all of Sentai's English dubs that bad? Because of the few dubs they made in Neutral Spanish, none of them were well received, especially since they sent them to Córdoba, Argentina a place where almost nobody knew it had a dub industry, so all of their dubs were done by unknown actors. And this sounds weird since I've always heard that Cowboy Bebop's English dub is held in high regard and with Lazarus being made by Shinichiro Watanabe, one would assume that [adult swim] would make sure that the English dub would be of high quality, since the show itself seems to have been made for a U.S. audience first, though I hope it's international dubs will be decent, but sadly, all of [adult swim] original anime Neutral Spanish dubs had their problems, with Uzumaki being the only one that was actually kind of decent... but even then it didn't make the show any better. |
I haven't seen Lazarus yet, but I do watch a lot of Sentai dubs. I'm probably one of the few that will stand by them, but I will agree that they tend to be more inconsistent in quality.
However, I will argue that I think they're at their best when they dub sports/slice-of-life/rom-com anime. Their best dubs (in my opinion) are anime like Haikyuu, Shirobako, My Love Story, Nozaki-Kun, and Run With the Wind. I also really like their dubs of Jellyfish Can't Swim in the Night, Ya Boy Kongming, After the Rain, O Maidens in Your Savage Season, and Dangers in my Heart. I also like their dub for Oshi no Ko (which I think improved in S2) but I know that's a more contentious opinion.
This is just my opinion, of course- I don't think I have any authority to say whether any of these are "objectively" good or bad. I just know I had a lot of fun watching them and will keep rewatching them, ESPECIALLY Haikyuu's dub.
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Silver Kirin
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Posted: Mon Mar 31, 2025 2:52 pm
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levonr wrote: | They aren't bad but they're more inconsistent compared to the other studios. Also something is off about their sound quality, almost like its too compressed(even on Blu-ray). Maybe its bad mixing I don't know. Still they can make great dubs sometimes so I'll give Lazarus a try. |
I see, well here in Spanish-speaking Latin America, Sentai Filmwork had a very brief presence in between 2019 and 2021, but th only series they dubbed were DanMachi, Land of the Lustrous, No Game No Life, Akame ga Kill, Parasyte: the Maxim, Food Wars! and Monthly Girls' Nozaki-kun and none of them were very well received, because as I said, the dubs were mainly done in Córdoba, Argentina, with unknown actors, though some dub VA's from Chile and Buenos Aires, Argentina were featured in some and they had a lot more experience, but even then you could notice the difference in acting experience. Sentai/HiDive abandoned Latin America in 2022, but since then they only produced two dubs into Neutral Spanish, one for Made in Abyss (which is weird since the movies were dubbed first with a different cast in Miami) and Suicide Squad ISEKAI
In regards to the Neutral Spanish dubs for [adult swim] productions the quality depended on the production, just to name a :
- Ninja Kamui's dub was very interesting since it was produced by Etcétera Group in Venezuela, but the dub itself was done in DAT in México City, this is because Etcétera was in the process of closing down and this has brough many negative changes to the venezuelan dubbing industry which is totally different and complex topic. But Ninja Kamui's dub was pretty disappointing, it had a good cast, but the direction was in charge of Héctor Ireta de Alba, better known for voicing Armin in Attack on Titan and while he's a good actor, he's not very good at directing, in fact he was responsible for the much maligned Tokyo Revengers first season dub for CR, when the series moved to Disney+ they replaced him as director and the dub's quality improved a lot;
- Rick and Morty the anime was dubbed in Venezuela just like the series proper is, but for some reason WB. demanded that the titular characters be voiced by Mexican dub VAs and Summer and Beth voiced by different VAs as well, only Jerry was voiced by his cartoon dub VA, Héctor Indriago.
- Uzumaki was dubbed in Buenos Aires, Argentina at Master Dubbing Studios. Argentinean dubbing in general is considered OK if a bit bland, but actors there just mainly work in cartoons and small live-action projects and some video games, other say that VAs do not have a lot of acting experience, though some actors do stand out, in the case of Uzumaki, Kirie was voiced by Micaela Oddera who's known for being Luz Noceda in The Owl House and Rei Saiga in Shangri-la Frontier, while Shuichi was played by Alejandro Graue who is famous for voicing Dipper in Gravity Falls, Nathan (Keita) in Yo-Kai Watch and Kenshin Himura in the live-action Rurouni Kenshin movies. But as I said, Uzumaki was a trainwreck, so not even a decent dub would've saved the series.
I'm actually hoping Lazarus will be dubbed in Mexico City, since previous Watanabe anime like Bebop, Samurai Champloo and Carole & Tuesday were dubbed there, the only exception being Kids on the Slope which was dubbed in Argentina, though it did receive a Mexican re-dub last year.
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MFrontier
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Posted: Mon Mar 31, 2025 11:23 pm
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I'm glad it's not trying to be Bebop and as its own entity is pretty entertaining in its own right.
So all the leads are criminals, not just the male lead. Yeah, this is basically just Suicide Squad. Which is funny because Sentai also dubbed the Suicide Squad Isekai anime.
StarDango wrote: | However, I will argue that I think they're at their best when they dub sports/slice-of-life/rom-com anime. Their best dubs (in my opinion) are anime like Haikyuu, Shirobako, My Love Story, Nozaki-Kun, and Run With the Wind. I also really like their dubs of Jellyfish Can't Swim in the Night, Ya Boy Kongming, After the Rain, O Maidens in Your Savage Season, and Dangers in my Heart. I also like their dub for Oshi no Ko (which I think improved in S2) but I know that's a more contentious opinion.
This is just my opinion, of course- I don't think I have any authority to say whether any of these are "objectively" good or bad. I just know I had a lot of fun watching them and will keep rewatching them, ESPECIALLY Haikyuu's dub. |
I would also throw in their dubs of Golden Time Urusei Yatsura and Real Girl.
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Philmister978
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Posted: Tue Apr 01, 2025 1:22 am
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Dr. Wily wrote: |
the review wrote: | We're also living in a world where people in positions of authority continue to threaten the lives and livelihoods of non-white and non-cis people, so maybe it's appropriate for Lazarus to hit its audience over the head with how unfairly these groups are treated. |
Oh boy, can't wait to see people complain that Watanabe's gone woke.
Anyway, Watanabe's one of the few producers that get a "must watch" response from me so I'll be on the couch for sure this Saturday.
Silver Kirin wrote: |
Ajc228 wrote: | It’s funny to me that Adult Swim poured all this money and resources into getting Watanabe to direct an expensive show for them with action choreography from the John Wick guy to hand the English ADR direction to such a cut-rate voiceover studio like Sentai Filmworks. They do some of the cheapest work with single-takes and terrible direction. All that money and they still couldn’t pony up for high quality ADR. |
Wow, I'm not a native English-speaker but though from the English langauge clips that I've seen of Lazarus it kind of sounds a bit generic, are all of Sentai's English dubs that bad? |
They're not all bad (I actually quite like their English dub of Made In Abyss) but they're certainly not the best in the biz, that's for sure. Personally I don't know the processes that go into choosing which dubbing studios get picked for which anime but if it is Adult Swim's fault that Sentai was picked, I would probably blame that on the fact that WBD (their parent company) is run by the cheapest man alive, David Zaslav. |
That would also explain why Suicide Squad ISEKAI and Rick and Morty the Anime were also dubbed at Sentai. From what I've heard of their dubs, they're not the greatest.
By "their" I mean Sentai in general (didn't really like their Eizouken dub, the Saint Seiya cartoon's voice work was awful, the redubs of their Netflix acquisitions aren't as good, and their other dubs are hit or miss at the best of times), but the WB-produced ones are bottom barrel at their most obvious. I'm honestly just waiting for them to farm out a Looney Tunes project to them just to show how bad WB is being ran.
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Dr. Wily
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Posted: Tue Apr 01, 2025 10:25 am
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Philmister978 wrote: | By "their" I mean Sentai in general (didn't really like their Eizouken dub, the Saint Seiya cartoon's voice work was awful, the redubs of their Netflix acquisitions aren't as good, and their other dubs are hit or miss at the best of times), but the WB-produced ones are bottom barrel at their most obvious. I'm honestly just waiting for them to farm out a Looney Tunes project to them just to show how bad WB is being ran. |
Oh brother I got some badddd news if you haven't been following any entertainment news concerning Looney Tunes the past few years... (I'm not gonna go into detail, that's outside the purview of this thread/site in general but, y'know, google is your friend)
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