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sweaf
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Disclaimer: I'm not an artist, just a fan of animation and creative technology. But holly smokes some of you guys are just overreacting.
AI filters don’t replace Studio Ghibli’s artistry or storytelling. No one confuses AI-generated images with the real thing. This trend increases public awareness of Ghibli. Many who see these images might become new fans of the actual films. Ghibli itself has inspired countless fan works—from fan art to indie animations. AI filters are just another form of creative engagement. At the end of the day, this is just fans having fun. It doesn’t take away from the talent and hard work of real artists. |
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Stinkabod Lamé
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Agreed. This just reminds me of the gatekeeping in the cosplay community where if you buy a pre-made costume from a shop you are looking down upon because you did not make it entirely by hand from scratch and therefore a lesser fan or cosplayer. There's should be no issue in people expressing their fandom how they want. |
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tinyirnfist0
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I get it. Neither of you care about the environment.
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Joe Mello
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If you enter a competition with a pre-made costume, you will in fact be looked down upon because the point of cosplay contests is to build your costume. If you're just cosplaying to be the character, no one should care. There are books, apps, sites, stores, hardware, software, and all sorts of other classifications of objects that are built and are maintained by actual people that enable people to artistically express their fandom. None of them use generative AI. So please explain to the rest of the class what "we" are "keeping" from you. |
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Hal14
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Also do people who buy premade outfits then claim they made it or that they are designers just for selecting (prompting) the outfit? Because that's another big issue here: people who use ai exclusively in the "art process" and then call themselves artists. Also the idea of the trend increasing awareness of ghibli is a lame excuse for this. I see similar claims with pirated media. Look, i'm not going to tell others not to pirate stuff but the idea that theft is somehow boosting the publicity of the thing being stolen is a garbage justification. Especially if the orginal artists have expressed negative opinions on this kind of thing. |
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Oggers
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It does, actually, because generative AI is developed by being trained on other people's artwork, which is more often than not used without the original artists' permission. No matter how amateurish or "cringe" someone's fanart might be, it's better if they at least tried to draw it on their own. |
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SlimeDrawsNear
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You heard it here, folks. No one knows about Studio Ghibli and they should be happy being ripped off because it gives them 'exposure'. /s/ |
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Dr. Wily
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In addition, many studio execs are just dying to use AI in movies that will help put actors and other workers out of jobs, but on the animation side, will put artists out of jobs. We may be associate such practices with Hollywood, but I would bet a million bucks that there is at least one if not more higher-ups in the anime industry that would love to save some cash by not having to pay so many pesky artists. In addition to that, it's gonna make it harder for new artists to even break into the field in the first place. The industry is notoriously hard to get in to, how much harder is it gonna get when a new artist has to pitch their project while competing with both other living ones and people using the styles of dead ones? If memes and some profile pics were all that this AI was used for I'd say sure let's all have fun, who cares. After all, there are millions of artists out there who can mimic the style of other artists, and may well have learned to draw because they were inspired by one artist's style. There's a whole cottage industry of artists who take commissions making joke (and non-joke) images in the Ghibli style before AI generated images became a thing the same way there have been people drawing knockoff DBZ art for decades. But the simple fact is that AI is not a tool that just generates fun and whimsy. There are numerous people in numerous fields all trying to use the technology in ways that will be a net negative for society. Everyone loves to parrot that Miyazaki quote about AI being "an insult to life itself" but I think there's a better one from the same documentary (hell, the same scene, just a few minutes later) that applies: "I feel like we are nearing the end of times. We humans are losing faith in ourselves." Last edited by Dr. Wily on Tue Apr 01, 2025 2:40 pm; edited 1 time in total |
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dmanatunga
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I think it is myopic to not think that the end goal of this technologically is to try and replace actual artists, or at the very least, pay them even less than the miniscule wages they currently get. Also, this isn't even the somewhat more supportable position of OpenAI partnering with Studio Ghibli to gave a filter for everyone. This OpenAI basically taking all of Ghibli art (and most likely actual artists who did their own renditions) without pay and then using that to create a marketing tool for their product. |
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GoGoGoFalco
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I've been enjoying the memes and jokes coming from the trend myself. I think the funniest response I've seen to it is artists trying to counter it with their own art to put down AI but their own art isn't as good so it kind of just works as an advertisement for why people are loving the AI Ghibli stuff so much if it lets some random person pay ChatGPT a few bucks to out-do an actual artist.
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FishLion
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I have noticed two main types of people that argue for generative AI in creative work while fully aware of the harms.
It's either corporations seeking you infinite work at no cost or people who want personally curated art without paying someone. The second group is sometimes due to someone wanting to have fun with zero effort and sometimes due to wanting art in a way it isn't produced. Some imagine they they will be able to blend the slop into a novel form and expect to be respected the way a creator would be while others want to make art more like the good ol days when it fit their sensibilities perfectly. They are definitely crushing blood from the stone here, AI dies not understand concepts, it approximates pixel layouts based on other images it has been fed with similar descriptors. Even if they got it to be everything they wanted it to be it is going to rapidly become stale visually because it will always copies the most common compositions even if you try to adjust it to avoid them. The longer they go the less novel their output will be. If it had stayed a fun curiosity that didn't threaten artists then maybe it could have value (not enough to justify stealing of course), but the second we try to replace human effort with automations for anything that isn't 100% mechanical (I don't think most art has that) it just seems sad. This is what people want? They want everything worse visually but also infinite pictures of our blorbos and that is worth taking away from the livelihoods of artists and wasting a ton if energy? Disgustingly selfish and short sighted if you ask me. These are people that think art is better without an artist because they can't find an artist who will give them exactly what they personally want, and that feels like a really dumb reason to consume art at all. But these people think that art is better when it is exactly as they envision and not a product of someone else's labors to enjoy, critique, and form fandom around due to appreciation. They are only happy when everyone shares and supports their taste so they can get the product they want. I don't expect people to stop pushing it soon without change but I do think AI is reaching the naked emperor stage of techno utopianism before too long. |
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pip25
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I'm pretty sure some people have lost their jobs when anime transitioned to digital and frames no longer had to be individually scanned. Similarly, I can see in-between animation being done by AI in a couple of years - the technology can already do this, it's just not reliable enough at present. I understand this might be little comfort to some, but I expect the quality of your average anime to skyrocket as a result.
On the contrary, it will allow new people to show off their skills way more easily. Imagine an entire episode's worth of animation being put together by one single person or a small group of people, creating storyboards and keyframes and letting the AI fill in the blanks. They'll still need talent, they'll still need creativity. What they won't need is a small army of people working for horrible wages connecting the dots. |
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Wyvern
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People are already aware of Ghibli. That's literally the entire reason that OpenAI stole their art style for their latest slop dump: because Ghibli's art is incredibly iconic and famous. In what backwards universe would Hayao Miyazaki, of all people, need to ride anyone's coattails?
No they aren't, because creativity requires someone (not something) to actually go to the trouble of creating something. And anyone who was "engaged" would be willing to make an actual effort and create some real art, not just ask a machine to puke out a copy of someone else's.
Oh wow, so now only one person can work for horrible wages, while training a machine that makes everything look uglier, can't create new ideas, and is designed to eventually replace him. Gee, that's so much better. I like how your utopian scenario involves countless people being put out of work, yet somehow this is going to help them "show off their skills." Their skills at what, filling out unemployment forms? Removing thousands of artists from the process of creating art does not make it better! "Oh, but people also lost their jobs when we stopped using cel animation!" Yes, but the reason we switched over from cel work was because we found a better method of creating. The creation was still being done by humans. And more importantly, the end goal of that switch to digital was not to fire people, and efforts were made (which were largely successful) to retrain artists so they could keep their jobs while using the new tech. That's very different from AI "art," because the stated end goal of this technology is to put people out of work. That's not me giving an opinion, this is the main pitch of their advertising campaigns. That is why so many CEO's and business clowns are so in love with AI, but hardly anyone else is! Because modern business adores the idea of firing people as a quick and lazy way to boost profits, and AI promises to let them do this in greater numbers than ever! That's it! That's all this is! It improves nothing, it's just there to give companies an excuse to fire people! Why do you think that every pro-AI argument boils down to "give up, it's going to happen no matter what?" There is no bigger plan here, no grand vision for the future. It's just "we invented a machine that steals art and spits out garbage, now let's shove it down people's throats until they give up and accept it so we can begin firing everyone." That's all. If you're going to support a silly fad, at least pick one that isn't actively trying to ruin people's lives for meaningless profit. |
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Fluwm
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I think that the many and myriad harms of AI art are so well-known at this point that we can safely ignore the people who inevitably pop up out the groundwork each time a halfway-relevant opportunity to defend the (nakedly indefensible) practise as either stooges or shills, who are probably using ChatGPT or some analog to generate their arguments for them.
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Dr. Wily
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See, I think the small army of people working for horrible wages is bad too... because of the horrible wages part, not having them working in the first place. I'm sure you're right about jobs being lost in the transition to digital. There are always jobs lost when new tech comes along. But the thing is, up until now in history, people had been able to adapt (for the most part). Horse cart drivers and wagon manufacturers get jobs in auto industrial lines building cars, stuff like that. Sure you get some video killing the radio stars, but the losses aren't that bad in the grand scheme of things. But with AI there is no replacement. You want that small army of people laid off? Because they will be laid off. If an episode can be made by one person, there will only be one person, producers aren't gonna let multiple ones take turns and still pay them all. What's the army of artists gonna do after anime is no longer an option, learn to code? Bad news, there are already coders (and they're getting laid off because of AI too!). Get other horrible paying low income jobs like flipping burgers? Sure, some of them might, but bad news, there are actually a finite number of fast food joints in Japan. Look, I'm not gonna address the environmental damage AI is doing or even philosophical stuff like whether the art it produces has any "soul" or not. AI takes human jobs and offers us basically zero fallback plan. And jobs give us money, which we use to buy goods and services. Until lawmakers give everyone some kind of universal basic income (which lol, no country will ever do in a thousand years), or we slow down and/or halt AI replacing workers, we are going to face a wave of poverty the likes of which man has never seen before... followed by a wave of homelessness, followed by things getting even worse. |
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