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animefanworried
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Update: Anyone who thought this bill was targeting the anime/manga/video game industry and was a blatant attempt at censorship in a wide scale, well you were right. Apparently, they want to keep the clause about fiction in at all cost. They are also talks of eventually including depictions of murder and suicide down the line. And Junior Idols will not be affected in the least either. So as far as were concerned they're only dealing with the real CP issue as a compromise (especially since Junior Idols are a ok to them), anime was what they were after all along.
http://dankanemitsu.wordpress.com/2013/06/14/quick-update-stakes-rise-in-japanese-child-pornography-law-revision-debate/ So this isn't even about protecting the rights of fictional characters (which was bad enough), its about censorship for its own sake. Gee, I feel better, how about you guys |
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Mr. Oshawott
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Judging from what I've read in that article, it seems that virtually ALL visual mediums within Japan are just one bill away from being criminalized. The future of the anime/manga/gaming industry is really getting bleaker by the day.
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mdo7
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Well as I said, good bye anime and manga, you were awesome one time. Looks like this is it, and I guess South Korea can replace my Asian pop culture fix (K-pop, K-drama). Japan should've focused on globalizing anime and manga, but J-pop and J-drama and now Japan is falling behind their Korean counterpart. Instead they've went more backward by passing this bill which could be the end of the anime/manga industry. This is shameful for Japan, and now I'm afraid anime and manga will be dead not only in Japan but worldwide. |
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configspace
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@mdo7
First, it hasn't passed yet. I hope they realized the mistake with Bill 156 and don't take it easy this time. They need to do a massive PR campaign.
More like say goodbye to manhwa and games and any Korean media with fictional teenagers. Did you know something nearly the same as this has already passed in S. Korea? This issue is something completely unknown outside Korea, but it seems Korean fans are aware of this. I don't know Korean, but I found out incidentally from a Korean fansub group, Team CherryBoyz: Search for: 청소년의 성보호에 관한 법률에 (The Act on the Protection of Juveniles) Apparently 미래일기 (Mirai Nikki / Future Diary) was targeted! snippets of a long post translated by the fansub group:
I found this older post warning against the proposal last year, in the context of anime: http://blog.naver.com/PostView.nhn?blogId=qnah1007&logNo=90154397064 And this which discusses the law in general: http://berkeleyopinion.com/329 http://www.law.go.kr/lsInfoP.do?lsiSeq=116790&efYd=20120916#0000
There seems to be some mention of entrapment, which the is probably what the crackdown period and/or usage of Mirai Nikki alludes to I'm just using google translate, so this is all very rough apart from that group's message, and someone else needs to dig further if they want more details |
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mdo7
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@Configspace: I know it hasn't pass yet and I hope it doesn't. Well I'm not interested in Manhwa, even if it doesn't have fictional teenagers in it, the story is what count. Korean mobile video game has gotten a bit more popular thanks to the hallyu, you can watch about it here. Korean dramas can replaced my anime and manga (unless Japan can start exporting more J-drama), and K-pop is getting more popular since Japan failed to give J-pop the same breakout like K-pop (there still time for J-pop to gain the same popularity like their Korean counterpart if they put more effort into globalizing the genre like Korea did). This make anime fans and J-pop ask why didn't Japan cash in on the K-pop fad. AKB48 and EXILE would've gotten the same level of popularity like Girls Generation and Super Junior if they were heavily promoted outside of Asia. A lot of our J-pop groups and artists could compete with Korean counterpart on international scale like:
-Arashi could compete with SHINee, SS501, TVXQ, and JYJ. -other J-pop boybands like D-Date, KAT-TUN, Kanjani Eight, Hey! Say! JUMP!, NYC, Kis-my-ft2, Sexy Zone, and A.B.C-Z could compete with K-pop counterpart like ZE:A, U-KISS, 2PM, 2AM, MBLAQ, BEAST/B2ST, BtoB, Nu'est, Infinite, VIXX, and Teen Top. -Same for J-pop Girl bands like Berryz Kobo, C-ute, S/Mileage, Morning Musume, Buono!, Passpo, 9nine, Dream, E-girls, Tokyo Girls Style, Super Girls, and Momoiro Clover Z could compete with their Korean counterpart like Wonder Girls, f(x), KARA, Brown-eyed Girls, She'z, Girl's Day, Apink, T-ara, After School, Ladies Code, Hello Venus, SECRET, SPICA, Dal Shabet, Sunny Hill, and RaNia. Perfume could compete with SISTAR. -I always thought SCANDAL and Flumpool could compete with FT Island and CNBlue. Although if this bill pass, it could probably kill the anime/manga industry in Japan and worldwide. Also to add to the insult, It's not safe for J-pop music to stay in Japan/Asia because Japan's dramatic population decline would hurt the Japanese music industry. The RIAJ has acknowledged this. I'll quote an important part of this article:
Tempest also back up that article regarding J-pop, and he told me this:
So the only way for Japan's music industry to survive is for Japan to export J-pop outside of Asia meaning Japan will have to give J-pop the same type of push like Korea did for K-pop. Also if K-pop get more popular and mainstream (K-pop is already mainstream in Latin America, Middle East and North Africa, and Eastern Europe. This music is getting more mainstream in Western Europe, and K-pop fanbases in US has risen after Gangnam Style), it'll make J-pop artists/groups very jealous that they don't want to be kept in Japan/Asia anymore, they may end up wanting to be like their Korean counterpart and conquer the world with J-pop like the Korean did with K-pop. Also K-drama allowed other Asian dramas to get subtitled and released in the west like Taiwan, Singapore, and Mainland China has already exported their dramas to the west. Japan doesn't export a lot of J-drama (on CR, I can find less then 9 J-dramas, Dramafever only has 2, and Viki has 4 J-dramas. Meanwhile I can find over 150+ K-drama and more then 20+ Chinese language drama from Taiwan, Singapore, and Mainland China on those streaming sites. NHK World doesn't even broadcast J-drama or anime at all when KBS World and Arirang TV broadcast Korean dramas). If this bill pass, then the anime and manga industry is finished, the video game industry in Japan will have to stop using teens and pre-pubescent characters. Japan will have to rely on exporting J-drama and J-pop to keep their pop culture relevant around the world. I mean, K-drama and K-pop proves that other aspect of Japan pop culture can get popular outside of Asia. So what's keeping Japan from exporting J-drama and J-pop when K-drama and K-pop prove that Asian stuff can get popular outside of Asia?? What's keeping Japan from replicating it's own "Hallyu"?? If anime and manga industry goes down, they still got J-drama and J-pop to keep the world attention to Japan and they'll have to start exporting those at some point. I could give a couple of reasons why they need to do it: -Japan is losing to South Korea in term of music and drama and the Korean Wave in general. South Korea has now earned the title "Cultural superpower", that title used to belong to Japan before South Korea exported K-drama and K-pop outside of Asia. If that bill pass, and assuming it'll kills the anime/manga industry, and if they don't export J-drama and J-pop, 50 years from now nobody around the world going to care about Japan because anime and manga industry would be gone and Japan not exporting J-pop and J-drama outside of Asia will not only hurt Japan's music industry but will hurt Japan's tourism industry, only South Korea will be relevent because of K-pop, K-drama, and other things. Because of K-pop and K-drama a lot of people are going to South Korea more then Japan. So exporting J-pop and J-drama would be the key to keep Japan's pop culture outside of Asia alive and going for 100 of years. -If Japan doesn't export J-pop and J-drama now, another Asian country will replicate it's own "hallyu wave" like South Korea did. I know Taiwan will be that next country to have it's own "hallyu wave" (given that Taiwan is exporting more Taiwanese dramas outside of Asia and Taiwanese pop could become the next "K-pop explosion" in the future). That country (assuming it's Taiwan) would overshadowed Japan's pop culture and people would go to that country rather then Japan. If Japan have it's own "hallyu" or a Japanese wave, it could help their economy, their music industry (including drama), and their tourism industry. So yes, Japan needs to export J-pop and J-drama at the masses ASAP if this child porn revision bill pass. |
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Tony K.
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Getting reports about this thread straying off course a bit from Japan to Korea. Please don't force me to delete/edit stuff. Stay on topic. Thanks.
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mdo7
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Sorry, I was trying to see how Japan can recovered from this if this bill pass and probably kill the anime/manga industry, I thought of the idea of exporting J-pop music and J-drama is the only way for Japan to spread it's pop culture influence if anime/manga ends up dead if this bill pass. |
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mdreura
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Bollocks. Government by its very nature - autocracy, monarchy, and democracy alike - concentrates the wealth of many into the hands of a few. People never get the government they deserve. The government we get is the government the ruling class feels like giving us. To suggest that any number of people in the world living meekly under cruel and oppressive governments is getting what they deserve is the height of ignorance and callousness. |
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Polycell
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mdreura, no government can last long without the acquiescence of the majority of the population(hence why police states fall so quickly - most of the populace already hates them, they just need that spark to make them stand up for themselves). It doesn't matter one bit what the ruling class wants if most people won't accept it(hence the numerous regrets among the elites about peace breaking out before "war socialism" could be made permanent - they had to wait until the Panic of 1929 before they could resume strangling the American economy in force). Saying that the people get the government the majority deserve isn't "the height of ignorance and callousness" - it's simple fact.
@mdo7: You're conflating far too many things into the term "Japan" in your posts - your points might be clearer if you actually mention who you're thinking about rather than just saying "Japan" over and over. |
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mdreura
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Citation Needed?
If that's the case, why do international institutions like the UN and the Hague even exist? Why do world wars happen? By your logic, genocide and war crimes are the sovereign will of the people. If we're talking simple facts, we have to start by recognizing the simple fact that laws are written by government officials, not the governed themselves. The acquiescence of the population is irrelevant if the one actually writing the law is looking elsewhere for direction. The argument you're making is a leap of faith which maybe true when leaders and benevolent, but falls apart when corruption enters the equation, and it really is the height of ignorance to blame the governed populace for government corruption. |
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Polycell
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Shiroi Hane
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I think people are forgetting, again, that this is about child (real or imagined) pornography. We already have very strict laws in the UK and US, yet plenty of anime and manga is legally released uncensored. If you don't indulge in hentai, the seedier side of doujin and fringe publications like Comic LO you probably wouldn't notice any change - after all there was the same uproar over the harmful publications act, but I've not noticed any change in what has been produced since and while Aki Sora (which I've never read) has ceased printing if Yosuga no Sora of all things made it through unscathed.. |
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Chagen46
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And if you DO indulge in such things...what, are you supposed to just let the lawmakers destroy your favorite things?
Eff this law. Eff it to hell. I can't imagine a world without Candy Paddle. I just can't. |
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tcsavato
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It's not even really about porn. If it can be taken in a sexual way and the character in question looks or is under 18 then it is Illegal which means even an innocent panty shot is illegal. It's something that effects things from Dragonball to Fairy Tail to Sailor Moon to Madoka. Government should not hold that type of power over artist to dictate what they believe to be acceptable, that's for the consumers to decide. I remember someone posted what the Fairy Tail guy would have to do if the law passed, and it was retarded. |
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Chagen46
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Yeah, it's not just about the porn (though that's one aspect).
This is basically Japan trying to make its own Comics Code. And we all know how that screwed up American comics for YEARS. |
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