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Nayu
Joined: 23 Dec 2010
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Posted: Thu Dec 30, 2010 9:08 am
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Good for Comiket! It wouldn't be Comiket anywhere but the Big Sight.
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Sailor S
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Posted: Thu Dec 30, 2010 11:28 am
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I was of the impression that the amendment wasn't going to affect people at Comiket anyways. Unless I'm gravely mistaken (and that could be since the bill isn't very clear cut) they can still make all the doujin they want of the cast of Mitsudomoe going at it, they just can't sell it to anyone under the age of 18, which probably wasn't a huge issue from the start.
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Posted: Thu Dec 30, 2010 1:16 pm
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Sailor S wrote: | I was of the impression that the amendment wasn't going to affect people at Comiket anyways. Unless I'm gravely mistaken (and that could be since the bill isn't very clear cut) they can still make all the doujin they want of the cast of Mitsudomoe going at it, they just can't sell it to anyone under the age of 18, which probably wasn't a huge issue from the start. |
Logistically how would it be enforced at an event like Comiket? The implications on commercial publishers and the anime industry is apparent, but just like many might have proposed that doujinshi itself is illegal because people are making profit of another's work, the logistical nightmare makes it fair game to simply overlook.
I think the same is true with adult content; just saying adult content is not allowed at an event where there's tons of minor buying books would require that the whole event be shut down, and certainly it's not gonna be. It's just too big of sleeping dragon to bother.
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Shichimi
Joined: 12 Jan 2009
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Posted: Thu Dec 30, 2010 1:26 pm
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^ Yeah, it's not just enough to pass laws, they have to be rigidly enforced as well. Over here in the UK, it's a massive problem that kids can just waltz into most videogame stores and buy anything off the shelf. Many staff don't seem to care.
Another example is the sorry mess that is the fox-hunting ban over here, too. Labour may as well not have bothered passing it in the first place. ¬_¬
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gapgapgap
Joined: 26 Apr 2010
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Posted: Thu Dec 30, 2010 1:49 pm
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Oh %&^*, is that ZUN with his trademark hat in the photo?!
At least it's a good thing that Comiket is staying at Tokyo Big Sight; I think it could become a hassle for quite a few doujin circles if they moved the event somewhere else.
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bayoab
Joined: 06 Oct 2004
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Posted: Thu Dec 30, 2010 3:05 pm
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Sailor S wrote: | I was of the impression that the amendment wasn't going to affect people at Comiket anyways. Unless I'm gravely mistaken (and that could be since the bill isn't very clear cut) they can still make all the doujin they want of the cast of Mitsudomoe going at it, they just can't sell it to anyone under the age of 18, which probably wasn't a huge issue from the start. |
It affects some of the circles, just not the comiket organizers. One circle reported that the printer wouldn't print their doujin because of the new law. It's also likely they will enforce ID for purchases as another 2ch poster reported overhearing someone trying to pull the "I don't have my ID but I look old enough" trick and failing with the seller quoted as saying "With the regulations, no ID, no purchase."
Also, comiket doesn't exactly have a lot of money and they likely signed the summer contract a while ago. They probably couldn't afford to back out of Summer even if they wanted to.
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enurtsol
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Posted: Thu Dec 30, 2010 3:29 pm
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bayoab wrote: | It's also likely they will enforce ID for purchases as another 2ch poster reported overhearing someone trying to pull the "I don't have my ID but I look old enough" trick and failing with the seller quoted as saying "With the regulations, no ID, no purchase." |
Heheh, what non-minor doesn't carry some sort of ID?
Of course, IDs could be faked and faked well, but that takes the responsibility off the seller's hands.
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Emerje
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Posted: Thu Dec 30, 2010 4:46 pm
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Past wrote: | but just like many might have proposed that doujinshi itself is illegal because people are making profit of another's work, the logistical nightmare makes it fair game to simply overlook. |
If I understand it right, Japan does see dojin manga, games, and garage kits as illegal, however events like Comiket and WonderFest were designed to be a "free pass" when the laws are ignored and licenses don't matter. It's kinda blown up to the point that stores sell dojins year round so the events are more about finding rare and exclusive items than getting away with breaking the law for a couple days. At this point I don't know that there's anyway to ever regulate this again without a massive witch hunt
Emerje
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Sailor S
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Posted: Thu Dec 30, 2010 8:14 pm
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There's basically an unspoken agreement between the rights holders and the doujin circles that they're fine with doujinshi being made of their properties as long as the print runs are kept small. If someone made a doujinshi of a licensed property and started printing thousands of copies of it, then you can bet that the rights holders would take legal action.
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gar131
Joined: 03 Aug 2009
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Posted: Thu Dec 30, 2010 10:25 pm
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Emerje wrote: |
Past wrote: | but just like many might have proposed that doujinshi itself is illegal because people are making profit of another's work, the logistical nightmare makes it fair game to simply overlook. |
If I understand it right, Japan does see dojin manga, games, and garage kits as illegal, however events like Comiket and WonderFest were designed to be a "free pass" when the laws are ignored and licenses don't matter. |
From my understanding, garage kits for the most part are a bit different. I've heard of sculptors needing to get a one day license to sell their kits. But I could be wrong.
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v1cious
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Posted: Fri Dec 31, 2010 11:27 pm
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So now that the market's split, will ANN be covering TAF or ACE?
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Sunday Silence
Joined: 22 Jun 2010
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Posted: Sat Jan 01, 2011 3:25 am
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The grey area between the copyright holders and dojin/garage kits is actually more of fans than legal reasons. Companies see the dojin markets as a tit-for-tat sort of problem: if they clamp down, they risk angering the fans of their properties who might revolt vs. illegal goods being sold with their copyright and not being able to collect money from it.
The companies seem to be more afraid of angering their money source rather than worrying about a few people doing fan works.
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