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NEWS: act-age Artist Shiro Usazaki, Iruma-kun's Osamu Nishi Launch New Manga




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ExplodingPrinny



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PostPosted: Sun Sep 01, 2024 8:02 pm Reply with quote
This is good to hear.
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Amritzer



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When you realize that at this moment there could have been at least one season of Act-Age anime.
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Shiro Usazaki got absolutely #ed by her writer. She would be set for life if he kept it in his pants and would also be done with act-age by now as it was into Vol 14 when it was canceled 4 years ago. At least she got paired with a hit author so success might come quick now. Or not, Jump is a grinder.
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 01, 2024 11:01 pm Reply with quote
I wish nothing but the best to the talented couple of artists, I know we can expect something really good from them but the Jump is a monster which can take any author on the highest grounds or banish it.
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 02, 2024 4:36 am Reply with quote
residentgrigo wrote:
Shiro Usazaki got absolutely #ed by her writer. She would be set for life if he kept it in his pants and would also be done with act-age by now as it was into Vol 14 when it was canceled 4 years ago. At least she got paired with a hit author so success might come quick now. Or not, Jump is a grinder.


The issue at hand is outside act age the last few stories where weak. Iruma is interesting to be fair. Let him do his thing and her art it up.

You forget how over the top this Author is.

Her weakness is she can't tell a good story by herself. Iruma kun writer can write. Maybe she learns better narrative structure here. The girl can draw super well but it means 0 if you can't write interesting content.

Monogotari Author shoulda been a banger but Academy was too complicated and the translator nearly Yoloes Viz.
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 02, 2024 5:30 am Reply with quote
Art_gamer86 wrote:
residentgrigo wrote:
Shiro Usazaki got absolutely #ed by her writer. She would be set for life if he kept it in his pants and would also be done with act-age by now as it was into Vol 14 when it was canceled 4 years ago. At least she got paired with a hit author so success might come quick now. Or not, Jump is a grinder.


The issue at hand is outside act age the last few stories where weak. Iruma is interesting to be fair. Let him do his thing and her art it up.

Her thing. Nishi Osamu is female.
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 02, 2024 10:21 am Reply with quote
Art_gamer86 wrote:
residentgrigo wrote:
Shiro Usazaki got absolutely #ed by her writer. She would be set for life if he kept it in his pants and would also be done with act-age by now as it was into Vol 14 when it was canceled 4 years ago. At least she got paired with a hit author so success might come quick now. Or not, Jump is a grinder.


The issue at hand is outside act age the last few stories where weak. Iruma is interesting to be fair. Let him do his thing and her art it up.

You forget how over the top this Author is.

Her weakness is she can't tell a good story by herself. Iruma kun writer can write. Maybe she learns better narrative structure here. The girl can draw super well but it means 0 if you can't write interesting content.

Monogotari Author shoulda been a banger but Academy was too complicated and the translator nearly Yoloes Viz.


What are you talking about? She works as an artist for other writers, she doesn't need to learn how to write. That's not a "weakness".
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Art_gamer86



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PostPosted: Mon Sep 02, 2024 2:22 pm Reply with quote
Nev999 wrote:
Art_gamer86 wrote:
residentgrigo wrote:
Shiro Usazaki got absolutely #ed by her writer. She would be set for life if he kept it in his pants and would also be done with act-age by now as it was into Vol 14 when it was canceled 4 years ago. At least she got paired with a hit author so success might come quick now. Or not, Jump is a grinder.


The issue at hand is outside act age the last few stories where weak. Iruma is interesting to be fair. Let him do his thing and her art it up.

You forget how over the top this Author is.

Her weakness is she can't tell a good story by herself. Iruma kun writer can write. Maybe she learns better narrative structure here. The girl can draw super well but it means 0 if you can't write interesting content.

Monogotari Author shoulda been a banger but Academy was too complicated and the translator nearly Yoloes Viz.


What are you talking about? She works as an artist for other writers, she doesn't need to learn how to write. That's not a "weakness".


You haven't been to design school it's clear here..
What am I talking about...
To be good by yourself in Weekly Shonen jump you need to write well and be a good artist. This is why the best get sick. Even Korean comics are similar.
The Act age artist is what most people would call a concept designer in the entertainment industry. She can do light novel pages and covers. She can go with a collab manga and a light novel adaptation. She chose Shue and Weekly Jump. Sucking at good storytelling is a weakness because being in the bottom 5 % in Jump is when you get axed so the bottom 4 or 5.

Jump has a lot of good books atm so its very easy to have a book get axed. Maybe she learns a bit of world-building, working for and with, the Iruma kun creator for her own future works. I like her, narrative and story writing is something you learn in Design College normally.
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 02, 2024 2:29 pm Reply with quote
Art_gamer86 wrote:
Nev999 wrote:
Art_gamer86 wrote:
residentgrigo wrote:
Shiro Usazaki got absolutely #ed by her writer. She would be set for life if he kept it in his pants and would also be done with act-age by now as it was into Vol 14 when it was canceled 4 years ago. At least she got paired with a hit author so success might come quick now. Or not, Jump is a grinder.


The issue at hand is outside act age the last few stories where weak. Iruma is interesting to be fair. Let him do his thing and her art it up.

You forget how over the top this Author is.

Her weakness is she can't tell a good story by herself. Iruma kun writer can write. Maybe she learns better narrative structure here. The girl can draw super well but it means 0 if you can't write interesting content.

Monogotari Author shoulda been a banger but Academy was too complicated and the translator nearly Yoloes Viz.


What are you talking about? She works as an artist for other writers, she doesn't need to learn how to write. That's not a "weakness".


You haven't been to design school it's clear here..
What am I talking about...
To be good by yourself in Weekly Shonen jump you need to write well and be a good artist. This is why the best get sick. Even Korean comics are similar.
The Act age artist is what most people would call a concept designer in the entertainment industry. She can do light novel pages and covers. She can go with a collab manga and a light novel adaptation. She chose Shue and Weekly Jump. Sucking at good storytelling is a weakness because being in the bottom 5 % in Jump is when you get axed so the bottom 4 or 5.

Jump has a lot of good books atm so its very easy to have a book get axed. Maybe she learns a bit of world-building, working for and with, the Iruma kun creator for her own future works. I like her, narrative and story writing is something you learn in Design College normally.


Death Note was made by a separate author and artist, and both have continued to only be authors and artists since then. There are other examples, but I think that alone is enough to show that there is no need to be both in this industry.
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 02, 2024 2:47 pm Reply with quote
Art_gamer86 wrote:
Nev999 wrote:
Art_gamer86 wrote:
residentgrigo wrote:
Shiro Usazaki got absolutely #ed by her writer. She would be set for life if he kept it in his pants and would also be done with act-age by now as it was into Vol 14 when it was canceled 4 years ago. At least she got paired with a hit author so success might come quick now. Or not, Jump is a grinder.


The issue at hand is outside act age the last few stories where weak. Iruma is interesting to be fair. Let him do his thing and her art it up.

You forget how over the top this Author is.

Her weakness is she can't tell a good story by herself. Iruma kun writer can write. Maybe she learns better narrative structure here. The girl can draw super well but it means 0 if you can't write interesting content.

Monogotari Author shoulda been a banger but Academy was too complicated and the translator nearly Yoloes Viz.


What are you talking about? She works as an artist for other writers, she doesn't need to learn how to write. That's not a "weakness".


You haven't been to design school it's clear here..
What am I talking about...
To be good by yourself in Weekly Shonen jump you need to write well and be a good artist. This is why the best get sick. Even Korean comics are similar.
The Act age artist is what most people would call a concept designer in the entertainment industry. She can do light novel pages and covers. She can go with a collab manga and a light novel adaptation. She chose Shue and Weekly Jump. Sucking at good storytelling is a weakness because being in the bottom 5 % in Jump is when you get axed so the bottom 4 or 5.

Jump has a lot of good books atm so its very easy to have a book get axed. Maybe she learns a bit of world-building, working for and with, the Iruma kun creator for her own future works. I like her, narrative and story writing is something you learn in Design College normally.


I'm a graduate professor for (MFA) writing students and have been in the trenches with a lot of bad writers in college who managed to skate by, so from my perspective, going to design college isn't any sign you're good at writing or know anything about it but go off I guess.

Especially since being a comic illustrator is extremely different from being a concept artist. Literally the first line on the wikipedia page and several other articles : "Concept art usually refers to world-building artwork used to inspire the development of media products, and is not the same as storyboard, though they are often confused".

Here's one from a college, if you want to scoff: "Concept art is all about conveying a broader idea of a fantasy world or a gaming scene. It is used to conceptualize an idea visually before any further work is done. On the other hand, an illustration is the actual implementation of the concept in some concrete form that may turn into an actual set of sequences in a film/game title." https://mages.edu.sg/blog/5-key-differences-between-concept-art-and-illustration/

Every professional I found doesn't agree with you.

I'm guessing you didn't actually understand what they taught you in design school or didn't listen or had a bad teacher, which is fine. I'd try to be a little less high and mighty about it though.

But yeah my curiosity is sated on what you were even talking about, so this'll be my last post on it.
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Writer-Artist duos have been a thing in manga for nearly the entire time manga has existed. It's basically the standard for professional comics in the Western market. It's not something Usazaki needs to overcome, nor does she or any other artist in a duo like this need to "learn to write.

Just off the top of my head, highly successful duos who have made it in JUMP include:
- Takeshi Obata and Tsugumi Ohba for Death Note and Bakuman
- Riichiro Inagaki and Boichi for Dr. Stone
- Inagaki and Yusuke Murata for Eyeshield 21
- Posuka Demizu and Kaiu Shira with The Promised Neverland
- Yukie Suenaga and Takamasa Moue with Akane-Banashi
- Yuto Tsukuda and Shun Saeki with Food Wars
if we want to get into Jump+ stuff there's
- Aka Akasaka and Mengo Yokoyari on Oshi no Ko
- Joumyaku and Mizuki Yoda with Marriagetoxin
- Sekka Iwata and Yu Aoki's Magilumiere Magical Girls INC.

It's also not unusual for artists and writers to have success with different partners. Takeshi Obata has Hikaru no Go and Show-Ha Shoten alongside his works with Ohba. Aka Akasaka transitioned from doing art and lead writing to just writer after Kaguya-sama ended.
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lossthief wrote:
Just off the top of my head, highly successful duos who have made it in JUMP include:
- Takeshi Obata and Tsugumi Ohba for Death Note and Bakuman
- Riichiro Inagaki and Boichi for Dr. Stone
- Inagaki and Yusuke Murata for Eyeshield 21
- Posuka Demizu and Kaiu Shira with The Promised Neverland
- Yukie Suenaga and Takamasa Moue with Akane-Banashi
- Yuto Tsukuda and Shun Saeki with Food Wars
if we want to get into Jump+ stuff there's
- Aka Akasaka and Mengo Yokoyari on Oshi no Ko
- Joumyaku and Mizuki Yoda with Marriagetoxin
- Sekka Iwata and Yu Aoki's Magilumiere Magical Girls INC.


And if that's not enough:
- Buronson and Tetsuo Hara with Fist of the North Star
- Riku Sanjo and Koji Inada with Dragon Quest: The Adventure of Dai
- Shō Makura and Takeshi Okano with Hell Teacher Nube
- Yoshinori Nakai and Takashi Shimada with Kinnikuman

Besides, we got into this by talking about Shiro Usazaki, and Act-Age was doing great up until Matsuki's arrest.

Writer-artist duos at other publishers have also produced the likes of Ashita no Joe, Blue Lock, and a little something called Frieren; the calculus of the trade-offs doesn't seem to be any different between Jump and other magazines. So, uh, I'm not really sure what Art_gamer86 is on about. Maybe we're misunderstanding?
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There is a famous saying among Japanese manga editors: "Readers begin to read a manga for the art (the drawings) but continue to read it for the story (and characters)"

Both are equally important but people who can draw have a head start to debut as mangaka in Japan.

It's true that mangaka who can draw AND write a good story will get more work and get a serialization more easily. But mangaka good at drawing are in high demand. Only manga writers that can't draw (like me Laughing ) have to prove that they can produce very interesting manga that sell well to get work and debut as pro.

Recently, even editors at Jump are trying to make the workload lighter for mangaka, thus we are getting more and more duos of mangaka, compared to before.

It's not a bad thing to only be able to draw OR to only be able to write good story/characters, but it's easier to get your series published when you can do both very well.
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Nemu Asahi wrote:
There is a famous saying among Japanese manga editors: "Readers begin to read a manga for the art (the drawings) but continue to read it for the story (and characters)"

Both are equally important but people who can draw have a head start to debut as mangaka in Japan.

It's true that mangaka who can draw AND write a good story will get more work and get a serialization more easily. But mangaka good at drawing are in high demand. Only manga writers that can't draw (like me Laughing ) have to prove that they can produce very interesting manga that sell well to get work and debut as pro.

Recently, even editors at Jump are trying to make the workload lighter for mangaka, thus we are getting more and more duos of mangaka, compared to before.

It's not a bad thing to only be able to draw OR to only be able to write good story/characters, but it's easier to get your series published when you can do both very well.


This is exactly what I am getting at. I may have gotten confused with the ONESHOT for Act Age and thought there was a book before that.

But this kid got plucked for doing fanart and dropped into the Act age prequel one shot.

Normally you should be going to a design college to hone the craft. Clearly she leveled the get gud skill for concept design during act age and she was already acceptable.

If she was working for Kadokawa she would be swamped with work. Light novel covers, illustrations, and adaption manga that would come at the rate of the Fairy Tail author when he was popping off a decade ago.

She clearly wants to work for SHUE at WSJ though so yes I stand by what I say, so she doesn't get screwed over again. She needs to learn world-building skills to write good stories. She couldn't save act age contractually it wasn't her baby she was just helping the writer make the child.

Again NORMALLY you learn this in ART SCHOOL. SHE to my knowledge didn't go. Maybe I'm wrong.
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It took 4 years, but it finally happened. Congrats to them. Oh, a certain someone isn't here as expected.
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