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PsychoPearl
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Posted: Thu Aug 10, 2017 1:16 pm
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If the creators of this series approve of this film, then the fans should also watch with an open mind. I'll be willing watch it and see which parts are original and which parts are faithful.
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D.E.D.E
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Posted: Thu Aug 10, 2017 2:11 pm
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PsychoPearl wrote: | If the creators of this series approve of this film, then the fans should also watch with an open mind. I'll be willing watch it and see which parts are original and which parts are faithful. |
The creators of Dragon Ball and Attack on Titans also gave their 'approval' to each of their respective films, and we all know how that turned out. Going into the movie with an open mind is one thing, but let's not act like this is something new or even worth noting in these cases. It happens all the time and it's usually just a publicity stunt and nothing more. Creators say they're impressed with it, fans watch it and realise it's crap, years later the creators give their honest opinions on the project, rinse and repeat. If any of the early reviews for this movie are true, we've got another dud on our hands. Hoping for the best though.
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7jaws7
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Posted: Thu Aug 10, 2017 4:40 pm
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If it helps give their work a bigger audience, creators will support a live-action version no matter what. Of course, they have every right to lie or say how they really feel about it.
As for us consumers, we also have every right to criticize whatever it is that Hollywood puts out since we are paying customers. However, fans have to remember that this version is certainly not going to remain faithful to the original - it's literally "what if an American student picked up the Death Note?"
It won't be received too well because most of us (myself included) can't stand things being dumbed down for a general audience.
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Saku-dono
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Posted: Thu Aug 10, 2017 4:58 pm
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Typical Japanese courtesy, but I'm pretty sure they're just saying it out of kindness.
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SaiyamanMS
Joined: 05 Oct 2006
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Posted: Thu Aug 10, 2017 5:08 pm
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#810704 wrote: | The creators of Dragon Ball and Attack on Titans also gave their 'approval' to each of their respective films, and we all know how that turned out. |
From what I recall, Toriyama never gave any clear praise to Dragonball Evolution with all his comments at the time being ambiguous in a way that could be read as either a compliment or condemnation. (Like how if you describe something as "that's really something else", it can mean either that it's incredible and unique or that it's total horse shit.) Ohba and Obata seem to have at least some genuine positivity here.
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#873796
Joined: 28 Jul 2017
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Posted: Thu Aug 10, 2017 5:42 pm
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Well it's probably better than Platinum End.
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Lord Oink
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Posted: Thu Aug 10, 2017 5:50 pm
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PsychoPearl wrote: | If the creators of this series approve of this film, then the fans should also watch with an open mind. I'll be willing watch it and see which parts are original and which parts are faithful. |
Toriyama said the same about DBE. It wasn't until years later when the royalty checks stopped coming in did he suddenly say he disliked it.
Japanese creators are polite. You're not going to see a managaka pull an Alan Moore and talk trash and emphasize his disgust with an adaption to the point of demanding their name be taken off it.
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MadHi
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Posted: Thu Aug 10, 2017 6:27 pm
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I never was one of those who believes that the original creator's opinion is fact. They can say that this version of Death Note is better than the original manga they wrote and drew because it followed their original vision to the T but were forced to make it more Japanese for the local audience and it still wouldn't make me want to go see this. There are too many visible problems I see with it's production and I do not want to support it.
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BlueAlf
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Posted: Thu Aug 10, 2017 7:27 pm
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Wait. Guys. Pay attention to the artwork in the article. It's made by the original creator right? And it's based on the live-action adaptation.
I think their personal feelings can be seen being reflected from that artwork.
(Personally, I think they're just really glad it wasn't a wreck and actually had some good and interesting parts about it.)
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ryanvamp
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Posted: Thu Aug 10, 2017 8:21 pm
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They can like it as much as they want. I won't be a fanboy that changes his opinion instantly because an artist I find VERY talented says something nice about an adaptation. I actually think a lot of times a lot of japanese creators have very questionable taste when it comes to western media. Not always, but I've seen it happen often enough.
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ArnisEnthusiast
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Posted: Thu Aug 10, 2017 8:28 pm
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Everyone just... watch the movie first and then make your judgments. It could be decent and it could be crap but it's too early to tell.
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Codeanime93
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Posted: Thu Aug 10, 2017 10:20 pm
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That praising from the creators sure did Ghost in the Shell a world of good.
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Stuart Smith
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Posted: Thu Aug 10, 2017 10:47 pm
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Codeanime93 wrote: | That praising from the creators sure did Ghost in the Shell a world of good. |
There's also a dissonance between America and Japan that people often forget. In Japan, the original manga or anime is generally already popular and has mainstream recognition. A bad Hollywood adaption isn't going to change anything for them. Most creators would just be amazed Hollywood would adapt their work. They'll say its interesting, and then move on with their career.
For Americans, anime and manga are generally shunned, and are niche. A live-action adaption is the only chance for the name to become mainstream, so people want a better product to represent a series they like,since the average citizen isn't going to watch a cartoon or read a comic about it, since they have a stigma associated with them. A live action remake is about the only time the average citizen is going to hear or watch that franchise. It's way more important for the American side of the fandom than Japan, because those are all the average person is going to know or care about.
-Stuart Smith
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Puniyo
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Posted: Thu Aug 10, 2017 11:02 pm
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Guys, you can't just decide that the original creators' opinion is wrong just because it doesn't suit you.
Obata definitely seems more genuine and into it than Ohba though. I mean, he even drew art without having to.
I've seen some people who complain about American anime adaptions say that the Japanese Black Butler movie was good and the changes made it interesting, or praise Edge of Tomorrow saying that's how an adaptation should be done (even though it went through the same if not more westernisation, it's just that they don't hold the source material on the same high pedestal). What do you get out of being so biased? You're just limiting the amount of stuff you can enjoy.
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harminia
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Posted: Thu Aug 10, 2017 11:25 pm
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Quote: | and while fans have expressed support for Willem Dafoe as apple-eating death god Ryuk, everything from the casting, the Seattle setting, and the plotting changes. |
I've reread this sentence a bunch of times but I'm pretty sure it isn't a finished setting. While fans what? (I know what it's meant to say but still...)
anyway, i agree people should go into it with an open mind. Maybe the creator's enjoyed it, maybe they're lying. either way, it shouldn't impact your decision to see it, and nor should it change your enjoyment level. If you hated it but think "oh but the creator's really liked it apparently, so I guess I'm wrong", that's not good
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