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MJP
Joined: 06 Nov 2003
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Posted: Thu Nov 20, 2008 9:23 am
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Good to know that Miyazaki's willing to call out a politician's gimmick when he sees one. I hope this project leads to international attention on Aso's racism.
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Aimee_Reeval
Joined: 26 Jul 2008
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Posted: Thu Nov 20, 2008 11:07 am
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Hehe, if such a project were ever done, it would be very strange. I think so.
Surely it depends on the staff from both sides. However, I like modern Japanese animation more than Russian.
I don't know about racism or else, because I live in Russia, not in Japan. But if Miyzaki says about it, he may be right, I guess.
Anyway, if a joint project is released, I'll gladly watch it. Even if it won't be worth watching.
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kokuryu
Joined: 07 Apr 2007
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Posted: Thu Nov 20, 2008 11:52 am
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Make peace, not war.
We need more "joint projects" worldwide like this. I would rather see competitions of writers and artists than that of guns and machines of war.
I think Aso is right in thinking that manga can solve many of the worlds problems, and to never forget the bad that was done in the past, and strive for a brighter future, free of strife.
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Kuyukly
Joined: 09 Oct 2007
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Posted: Thu Nov 20, 2008 1:25 pm
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kokuryu wrote: | Make peace, not war.
We need more "joint projects" worldwide like this. I would rather see competitions of writers and artists than that of guns and machines of war.
I think Aso is right in thinking that manga can solve many of the worlds problems, and to never forget the bad that was done in the past, and strive for a brighter future, free of strife. |
I couldn't have put it better myself. In fact, I only have this to add: If this works and such a production comes to fruition, I can only hope this spurs other creators and thinkers to collaborate and produce even more joint works.
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yojimboray
Joined: 18 Aug 2008
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Posted: Thu Nov 20, 2008 1:58 pm
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Quote: | The director warned of nationalism by noting, "We learned from the last war that the town we love or the country we love can always turn into something bad to the world. I believe we must not forget what we learned. |
Wow- I didn't think it was possible, but I respect Mr. Miyazaki even more. Calling out your own country is a really tough thing to do. I should know- for the past eight years in the U.S., right- wing nationalists had the country under their thumbs. Anyone who disagreed with them were called things ranging from communists to even terrorists.
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reanimator
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Posted: Thu Nov 20, 2008 3:42 pm
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I really don't feel like talking about political stuffs. It's interesting that Russia is trying to have co-production with popular Japanese cartoon character. To my knowledge, Russia produced really good independent, state sponsored animations. Youri Norstein would be good example.
Anyway, I heard that Russians are busy producing tons of indie film animations. I just don't understand why Russians are not using their existing animation talents to develop their own TV animation. I wonder if their artsy nature of indie animation prevents animators going commercial level.
Speaking of Miyazaki, he is one of Japan's most prolific promoter of Russian animation in Japan. He and his museum actively showed Russian animations.
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Zin5ki
Joined: 06 Jan 2008
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Posted: Thu Nov 20, 2008 6:51 pm
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This reminds me of the time I was in France and saw an advert for "Guignol and Pikachu". I kid you not.
Didn't really know about Miyazaki's interest in Russian animation however. The only fruit of such an industry I've seen is Vinni Puh. That bear is an odd scamp.
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dangerwhat
Joined: 22 Jul 2007
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Posted: Thu Nov 20, 2008 9:16 pm
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Such a joint project as it is may be worth checking out. Doraemon is interesting/entertaining.
While I don't see anything wrong with Asou's Manga-related political methods, I think Miyazaki is correct about Nationalism. I mean, its ok to like your country and stuff but when Nationalism gets out of hand, we have a disaster on our hands. I'm not all gloom-and-doom about the future of Japanese politics, but there does seem to be a Nationalism shift these days, though I imagine thats largely a political party's fault and not the fault of the Japanese people themselves (especially given how Prime Ministers are elected -.-)
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abstract-alchemist
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Posted: Fri Nov 21, 2008 12:25 pm
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Politics and pop culture shoudl be separated, a lot like religion and state. It's cool if Aso like pop culture, but using it as a method to conduct diplomacy is a one-way trip to hell. Pop culture is such a divisive thing that I can't imagine how anyone can approve of using for international relations. After, we only have to look as far as home to see that; there are people that think that anime/manga is still all about tentacle porn and sex.
As for Miyazaki, he's got so much popularity that he can pretty much say what he wants. Not that I don't respect the guy for doing what he did, but when you're as popular as he is, anything you say will pretty much get backing from some sector of your fandom. What I think is better is that someone with such influence actually says something, which is what I respect Miyazaki for.
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dangerwhat
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Posted: Sun Nov 23, 2008 9:03 am
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abstract-alchemist wrote: | Politics and pop culture shoudl be separated, a lot like religion and state. It's cool if Aso like pop culture, but using it as a method to conduct diplomacy is a one-way trip to hell. Pop culture is such a divisive thing that I can't imagine how anyone can approve of using for international relations. After, we only have to look as far as home to see that; there are people that think that anime/manga is still all about tentacle porn and sex.
As for Miyazaki, he's got so much popularity that he can pretty much say what he wants. Not that I don't respect the guy for doing what he did, but when you're as popular as he is, anything you say will pretty much get backing from some sector of your fandom. What I think is better is that someone with such influence actually says something, which is what I respect Miyazaki for. |
Yeah, thats true, well said. I guess I've been of two minds about Asou, in that I whould applaud him for using popular culture to disseminate some kind of idea or history lesson or something, and I have been so negative about him as a politician, on the other hand. It hadn't occured to me that, despite all efforts, using popular culture in such a way may not gain any ground at all, due to the simple fact of one place's popular culture not being another's. So the whole deal may be pointless, in that regard. Though, that being said, I do believe that Manga has a different level of accessibility that could indeed help promote tolerance or other such human ideals easily. Though, that being the case, Manga might be the ideal tool to educate children, not politicians from other countries who are going to be resistant to ANYTHING to say, let alone something they're going to feel is a)you forcing your pop culture on them and b)something designed for kids (which I imagine, stiff politicians might think)
We do tend to take Miyazaki's word as law, I suppose but I just agree with what he has said, not that I was agreeing just because it was Miyazaki. I'm actually surprised he has said anything, given that its political commentary and that Miyazaki is such a respected figure - I whould think both things whould make him reluctant to speak out on such topics.
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