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einhorn303
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Gonzo has taken the initiative in offering simultaneously released, downloadable, and DRM-free anime to anime fans across the world. Yet a lot of people still pirate the shows. You can download Druaga or Blassreiter on any torrent site, directly ripped from BOST. Not only that, but there are "fansub" groups that actually directly copy BOST's subtitles and release them plastered with editor and encoder credits, to blogpost cries of "YAY! ((o(´∀｀)o)) *Happy Dance* Thanks for the hard work guys! You rock!"
Opinions on this? Last edited by einhorn303 on Fri Aug 01, 2008 5:45 pm; edited 1 time in total |
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britannicamoore
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That those are the negative type of fansubbers. In fact I won't even give them that name if they do no work. Most fansubbers actually do put in the effort to make subs, not rip them from others. (regardless if they're perfect or not) And they actually deserve the praise they get because they put in the work every week.
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TheTheory
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Yeah, I'm not a fan of that. Boooooo.
I'd like to see more companies do that... As much as I love fansubs, I like being able to slip some money in the proper direction. |
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Xanas
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What's the quality on the downloadable releases there? And if there is a download window, does the file "expire" after the download window is gone? If it does, I'm not sure you can say there isn't "DRM" in such a context.
I guess I could check myself, I think I have a few points left over there from awhile back when I checked out bost. It just really annoyed me back then (prior to the downloads being available) to be restricted to a 2 week viewing window. I don't care about fansubs in general anyway, so this doesn't bother me that much. I think the group is almost worthless to the fansub community, but people are always going to seek out free if they aren't willing to pay anything. I don't think any fansub supporter has ever said they expect pirated releases to end, just that the industry can't gain anything if it doesn't put up something of it's own. The fact it says "IPOD" makes me think the releases they let you download are very low resolution though, so I'm not convinced the value is really there. I really need to check it out I guess before having too many negative thoughts on that. I've also made clear my own preference and belief that subscription services are the future, not individual pay by the episode solutions. |
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Raven Shinobi
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I applaude Gonzo for taking this step, and I'll definitely support them by watching their latest releases that interest me through their website. I think they should do some advertising to make more anime fans aware that such service exist.
On the other hand, it's sad seeing some people that call themselves fans ruin the industry's efforts in providing affordable means to watch anime for those who want to stay up-to-date, or can't afford buying DVDs. |
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einhorn303
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Nah, the file stays fine forever. You can copy it on dvd-r, move it, whatever. It's just that you have only 14 days to download it. Although if you have a Season Pass, which lasts forever, you can always "purchase" it for free again and get another 14 days time to download it. I dunno about quality, I'm no A/V geek, but it looks perfectly good on my desktop. It's not quite DVD quality, but that's what buying DVD's is for. |
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Xanas
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Hmm, I guess that isn't so bad. I should look at quality, I kind of expect if they are charging though that it should at least be at the level of xvid fansubs (standard def).
Are the subtitle streams text & extractable, such that I could use them with a dvd release? (I say this because I really do not like vobsubs very much, and I do rip/encode my own dvds for personal use). |
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quikbeam1
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Through Bost TV is it a rental system kind of like Xam'd through the PS3? something that you download and can only watch for a determined amount on time. or can you keep the files and rewatch them as you see fit?
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nightjuan
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About the original topic: what they are doing doesn't even qualify as a fansub.
Having said that, I do believe someone from BOST once mentioned that the availability of their legal products had reduced the number of (expected?) illegal downloads for both shows. That's good, but let's be realistic: reducing, whether that means a lot or a little, is all you can do, for any number of reasons. About the legal BOST downloads: those aren't like Sony's rental system for Xam'd at all. What you "rent" is the stream, I believe, and the "window" of opportunity to download the show. Which doesn't prevent you from re-watching an archived file as many times as you want. All things considered, it's a much better model than what Sony is doing, at least in the eyes of the consumer. Heck, I didn't like the shows that much...but I still bought all of Druaga and roughly half of Blassreiter. I'm not really interested in watching Strike Witches though, but the same thing goes for many other shows in general. |
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Zalis116
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It's not really surprising that this would come to pass. These shows don't appear to be all too popular in the download scene though. Possibly because the subtitles are considered too localized and thus "too liberal"
But the silver lining is that afaik there were no original, independently-translated fansubs for these Gonzo series. Meaning that no groups or random individuals decided to fansub the series given the availability of the official version. So the theoretical goal of "stop fansubbing" is being met, even if the broader goal of "stop copyright infringement" isn't. |
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khimru
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What does deserve discussion is the way to remunerate artists in this new reality where artistic works can be easily copied. I'm not 100% sure BOST TV is the way to achieve it - but it's step in right direction. |
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walw6pK4Alo
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I don't think there's any problem with the subtitles. From what I've seen, they're actually quite good. But the problem here is that piracy prevails despite any kind of action taken. Also, you can only hate of fansubs because they encode the entire file and make it easily available. If a group merely just created a subtitle file then they would legally own that translation. Combining it with the video is where the trouble is. So there's always more loopholes out there. |
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Xanas
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Wooah there a minute. I'd agree with you on the copyright system, but I am not even close to believing that 90% of people are on board with you or I. I've discussed this with a lot of people and while yes, I'll agree that the masses could in many cases care less about respecting/following copyright law, they certainly don't have this strong desire to change it like you or I do. I've always found that odd, but it seems very common for people to have beliefs that aren't really in step with their actions. I'd also question 90% as the figure. It's probably over 50% who would be doing some kind of piracy, but a lot of that 50 would stop along various stages in the stream (for a variety of individual reasons/morals). There is a real uphill battle trying to convince people on these issues, and even more of one trying to get them to act to do something about it. As far as where I've had the discussions, I've had them in warez software forums, fansub forums, dvd rip forums, and places that are on the more conservative side of copyright like here. |
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khimru
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Keonyn
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90% of the people out there also aren't in a position where they create and develop something that their livelihood depends on which is constantly at risk of being stolen and copied and used by someone else to profit off of, rendering their work useless. Frankly, as long as most the people out there sit at the 9 to 5 cubicle job or behind the counter at Burger King, they're in no position to point out the problems with copyright laws because the only way it effects them is whether or not they have to pay the artist for their work.
You can't preach about someones rights to take what they want or use what they want whether they created it or not when you are completely ignoring the rights of the artists themselves. Such an argument is obviously so slanted that credibility is lost since it's apparent your very viewpoint is dependent on your own selfish goals. |
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