Forum - View topicNEWS: Frontier Works, KaKa Creation's Twins Hinahima AI Anime Reveals March 29 TV Debut
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#Synaesthesia
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Essedess
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Disgusting. So AI will make the cuts, and a human fill fix them. Of course, being paid less because he's "only fixing, not creating". Go bankrupt.
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MFrontier
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Doubt this will sell people on AI.
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Frankly, I'm curious to see how this works. I can see a fair amount of potential for AI eventually being used for animation grunt work. |
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Ashen Phoenix
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I keep thinking, "All of this is to cut costs" but if the end result looks this janky (the running inconsistencies) on top of the MCs having the most generic, forgettable designs I've seen in literal years, I cannot fathom how this will be anything but an epic disaster.
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ScruffyKiwi
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It states in the article who the character designer was! I don’t see an issue in using a tool to make someones job easier. It’s not like anime died when Digipaint took over cell work! |
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InfiniteNothingness
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Yokota's designs are, unsurprisingly, fine — if anything a suitable complement to a project emphasizing its cute girls. It's also easily the most interesting part; that glitch is half-baked, and Hinana's gesticulations at the most 'interesting' beginning feel so lifeless, with everything else stinking of "what cute girl hobby anime haters think the shows are actually like." But Yokota isn't even the only name I'm frustrated to see here, having found Yumemi's work on Kubo a pleasant fit. I don't actually categorically mind the use of AI in professional projects (never mind amateur indie stuff as I've seen with at least one of my other interests), having seen it put to thoughtful, non-destructive use in a select handful of cases. Those decidedly unlike the repulsive INTERSTELLA 5555 "remake" for a recent easy example.
But this? When 95+% of the cuts are removed from human hands, the matter of mere output for nebulously described "supportive AI" (what, like with horrendously gaudy cut from FGO's CM directed and boarded by Takahito Sakazume?)? In this industry, as an ostensible help? I'm not convinced. Beyond that, I find it downright repulsive for such a commercial venture when corporate recklessness is causing so much verifiable, quantifiable damage. I already have for previous content mentioned here like the Web3 rubbish. This, is just somehow worse, and I've been following the bubble for years. |
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Glordit
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I forgot about this, guess it's happening. The hair movement is the biggest giveaway that it's AI but unless you know what to look for, you'd think it's part of the shows style.
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Wyvern
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And the plot is about two girls making TikTok videos because I guess the studio is just desperately chasing every shallow fad they can think of with this one, huh?
I'll give them this: it's clever to incorporate the backgrounds looking weird and wrong into the plot of the show, since using AI will ensure that everything will look weird and wrong anyhow. But pointing out the flaws in your approach doesn't make them any less flawed, and it doesn't speak well for the long-term prospects of this technology. I hate that we have to put up with all this AI trash just because a few greedy execs are afraid to pay artists to make art. |
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FishLion
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I have moral issues with the way it uses images to learn in the first place (a database learning rules based on consuming content is in not way similar to a human learning except for the fact that it takes in data and out puts a response) because blending a bunch of stolen images into a novel image is pretty gross to me. If you follow artists online there are already a ton of artists hiding their work behind passwords and things like that to prevent further theft from them and I consider that damage already, considering we virtually had free and infinite art that was truly original (even if derivative) before and now we have less for the sole purpose of empowering people to generate images based on stolen work.
On the other hand, AI is a machine that takes rules and produces a new image based on the average parameters of data matching a prompt. Why would we want art to be the literal average of a bunch of other data? I sure don't, I want art that was made with intention besides someone requesting what they want from a computer. I want someone with visually creative ideas to produce something original, work some call unimportant is a vital part of the process. I don't believe you could produce something as interesting if all the shots that aren't sakuga were spit out of an art blending and printing machine, even if people story-boarded the shots it animated or polished the initial output to a marketable level. It would still by definition be composed of work that is much more average then something original. That's probably why it's about tiktok dances, because it gives them a ton of visual learning material to hypothetically keep the dancing from looking terrible. An animation that is 95%+ decided on by AI and then has people polish the work to completion is something that is going to waste 95% of the time spent viewing it. Some people then suggest that a scenario where 95% of the work is done by humans but AI fills in that last 5% most tedious work, but then it isn't a worthwhile tool to begin with. That will barely change the production process or help anime get made, but it will eliminate all the positions that people could use to get a place in the animation industry and learn for those roles. Worse than anything is the insulting notion companies keep parroting that this could make life easier for animators. Companies are not crunching workers because they have to, they are doing it because they want to. They have fallen down a slippery slope of producing massive amounts of content and trying to get as much anime made with as few employees impossible under tight deadlines. It is true that crunch is necessary to keep up with modern output, but this is only the case because the modern day anime industry has always aimed to produce as much as possible. There is a time when anime truly lacked much of a budget or work force and many classic anime would cease to exist and have no replacement without crunch. This is not to say crunch in those days was fine or good, just that anime was not as much of a sure financial bet as it tends to be today and that crunch was done for a lack of resources compared to ambition, not because there was an extremely reliable market that producers wanted to squeeze for maximum value. Anime producers continued to work hard to produce as much content as possible under tight deadlines and it gave us the gift of a very vibrant art ecosystem despite the fact that a lot of harm was done. Nowadays is different, there is so much anime being produced that it's nearly impossible for a single person to keep up with. There are enough shows coming out that fans of most genres have several simulcasts every season, we have nowhere near a shortage of anime or ways to monetize it. Yet, crunch continues to happen. Why is that? To make the most money possible. We are a long way from Tezuka and Animerama where wealthy artists use a limited fortune to shoot for the stars and push their team to make something great because they did not have the time and money to give them more of either, the industry is a money printing meat grinder because people want it to make money and not because artists were too ambitious for their deadlines or a company completely ran out of money. Having better automation will just lead them to believe they can make even more anime for the same cost or that they don't have to pay as many workers. No corporation is saying "Thank god! We finally have good enough automation that all our workers can work a forty hour work week at the same pay and still produce enough anime to meet demand." It also has nothing to do with the introduction of digital tools, digital tools are ways to streamline creative processes by creating a work in a new visual medium to produce material for animation, AI does the creating for you. Digital tools might automate some purely mechanical steps like tracing, cutting out and rearranging the image, or scaling the image to a new size, but at no point did those tools provide you with a finished or semi-finished project. You always start looking at a blank screen unless someone else did the first step for you, this type of change to the medium of animation is in no way comparable to automating entire parts of the process. AI is being developed by some of the richest corporations in the world so it can automate work by people to save a buck. When they can animate fluidly, I believe they are going to be specific proprietary models for lease that cost a lot for indie productions and shuts out casual use on a small scale while eliminating jobs in the greater industry. I know I harp on this a lot, but I'm never going to accept AI as part of the art I consume without safeguards against future art theft and protections for the workers it displaces, the tech industry has already lost my trust with how they handled other innovations like NFTs. |
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JustMonika
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Looks good to me. I'll definitely check it out.
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