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LukaTheLancer



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PostPosted: Thu Oct 17, 2024 2:44 pm Reply with quote
I am not a light novel reader, tho i did spend about 1.000 hours in Danmemo over the span of 3 years. I got the Syr thing spoiled a few years ago. so it is funny for me to see the hints because while i know the what i do not know the how and why
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LukaTheLancer wrote:
I got the Syr thing spoiled a few years ago. so it is funny for me to see the hints because while i know the what i do not know the how and why

Those will come out before the arc's over.

As for the review, great analysis of the first three episodes, especially likening Freya Familia to a cult. The way different familias are structured and act differently is a point that I have long felt gets under-emphasized in discussions and analyses about the series, and it's absolutely critical to fully understanding this arc.

There was also a little Easter Egg in this episode for long-time players of Memoria Freese: one of the hero statues on the Hero's Bridge was clearly meant to be spoiler[Fianna, the leader of the Knights of Fianna,] which is a canon part of the setting's backstory that was featured in a multi-part game event. When Finn speaks about restoring the glory of his race, he's referring to this person in particular.
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How many gods and familias are there in Orario? I get the impression it's in the hundreds. Or at least dozens. They can't all be as distinctively different as the ones discussed in this review. Some must be more alike than others where the differences are more subtle.

Are there any familias with more than one god as the head? For example a married god couple?
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The comedy is top tier, but Syr's cuteness is no slouch either. It's nice seeing Ais express care for Bell.
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I'd wondered if they were going to adapt the "Episode Freya" light novel before doing this arc, maybe as a four episode OVA or something.

It seems not.

That's actually a bit of a pity, because what Episode Freya emphasizes - and this is important -spoiler[ is that Freya is not evil. Quite the opposite - she's on the side of order against chaos.]
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 17, 2024 6:56 pm Reply with quote
I like how this season started. I hope to enjoy it as much as season 4.
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Really happy to have Danmachi back!

I've always felt Syr was an underrated girl in the show and I'm eager to see her in the spotlight and her complicated dynamic with Freya and the Freya Familia, as well ash er sincere love for Bell, explored in full. And she made for a heckuva date with Bell.

(I feel bad for Ryu though...)

Also, Ais is back! And jealous? And protective!
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FilthyCasual wrote:
The comedy is top tier, but Syr's cuteness is no slouch either. It's nice seeing Ais express care for Bell.



im more surprised their in speaking terms after the xenos arc, which gets detailed even more so during vol 11 of the sword oratoria LN!
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andramus wrote:
How many gods and familias are there in Orario? I get the impression it's in the hundreds. Or at least dozens. They can't all be as distinctively different as the ones discussed in this review. Some must be more alike than others where the differences are more subtle.

Are there any familias with more than one god as the head? For example a married god couple?

All of the gods and familias present in Orario have never been listed in full that I'm aware of, but you're correct about there being at least several dozen. (I suspect original writer Omori has deliberately kept this vague to allow for later story expansion.) Side novels, Sword Oratoria content beyond what's been animated, and game entries show that there are also a large number of familias out there which either currently or always have operated entirely outside of Orario, too.

None of the familias that have been revealed to date are centered on more than one god, so if that's even possible, we've not seen it. Although Zeus and Hera Familias seem to have been allied, they were separate familias.
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jr240483 wrote:
FilthyCasual wrote:
The comedy is top tier, but Syr's cuteness is no slouch either. It's nice seeing Ais express care for Bell.



im more surprised their in speaking terms after the xenos arc, which gets detailed even more so during vol 11 of the sword oratoria LN!

They did make up at the end of the arc.
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I didn't think Syr was being selfish, even in episode 3. I do think Bell missed his chance to breathlessly ask, at the end of her spiel, "Who are you? What are you!?" but the woman who's been throwing food, help and attention his way for four full seasons now has her chance to be in the spotlight by asking Bell to be there for her when the time is right... in other words, be Bell, has every right to do so. He's going to do it anyway, may as well get ahead of the scenario.

And even if I didn't know the SPOILER already, which I guess is the worst kept secret in anime, I would have known it from the spoiler opener and ending.
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But we should also be thinking about Syr's abrupt shift in personality over the course of these three excursions – she grows increasingly headstrong, flighty, and uncaring of Bell's reactions to her suggestions, even when they're clearly making him uncomfortable. (So many props to Yoshitsugu Matsuoka, whose ability to make strangled sounds is unparalleled.) Syr is starting to look awfully selfish, uncaring of what will happen to Bell if Freya Familia finds him in her room with her in the shower.


Syr seems... intoxicated I guess? It feels less an abrupt shift in personality and more a steady removal of restraints, inhibitions, and risk assessment. She's revelling in a freedom we don't quite understand, and in Bell's attention. But it seems more than that, and probably not explained just by the addition of a couple of bottles of wine. Her comment to Bell about what he'd do if she were to go mad seems to carry a lot more weight than the throw away comment she then tried to pass it off as too.

Ais, looking pretty much the angriest we've ever seen her. It's a very rare display of emotion, which makes it fascinating. The Freya Familia crossed a line there somewhere on their way to trying to ruin Bells date, and she is not having it.
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Key wrote:
andramus wrote:
How many gods and familias are there in Orario? I get the impression it's in the hundreds. Or at least dozens. They can't all be as distinctively different as the ones discussed in this review. Some must be more alike than others where the differences are more subtle.

Are there any familias with more than one god as the head? For example a married god couple?

All of the gods and familias present in Orario have never been listed in full that I'm aware of, but you're correct about there being at least several dozen. (I suspect original writer Omori has deliberately kept this vague to allow for later story expansion.) Side novels, Sword Oratoria content beyond what's been animated, and game entries show that there are also a large number of familias out there which either currently or always have operated entirely outside of Orario, too.

None of the familias that have been revealed to date are centered on more than one god, so if that's even possible, we've not seen it. Although Zeus and Hera Familias seem to have been allied, they were separate familias.


To further answer adramus there are cases where one deity may be subordinate to another and that extends to their Familia although such cases are not common in Orario at least. And Unlike real world myths the deities in Danmachi cant have kids with mortals though they can enter romantic relationships with them and there hasn't been a confirmed married divine couple despite what you would normally find in myths like Zeus and Hera for example.

Also not sure if this is confirmed but according to the rumor mill this is getting 15 eps so 5 per volume I guess and if its true then its definitely a single cour

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Ais, looking pretty much the angriest we've ever seen her. It's a very rare display of emotion, which makes it fascinating. The Freya Familia crossed a line there somewhere on their way to trying to ruin Bells date, and she is not having it.


Its no longer about just ruining the date. The guy loudly ordered to have Bell eliminated so they definitely crossed a line with Ais
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Thesarum wrote:
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...Syr's abrupt shift in personality over the course of these three excursions – she grows increasingly headstrong, flighty, and uncaring of Bell's reactions to her suggestions, even when they're clearly making him uncomfortable...Syr is starting to look awfully selfish....

Syr seems... intoxicated I guess? It feels less an abrupt shift in personality and more a steady removal of restraints, inhibitions, and risk assessment. She's reveling in a freedom we don't quite understand, and in Bell's attention. But it seems more than that, and probably not explained just by the addition of a couple of bottles of wine...
My read is that Syr has been thinking of and planning out the details of this date and "abduction" based on what she knows of Bell and his personality traits for some time, so what she is doing is enacting The Plan more than interacting with Bell. Her base personality hasn't shifted but she is behaving as she has envisioned she would in this situation which reflects her hidden desires and seems incongruous.

She said at the onset that she had planned to say such-and-such when Bell said such-and-such and she got thrown off when he didn't, but as things progress Freya Familia behaving as she anticipated increasingly supports her original plan of action as Bell becomes more reactive which she likely counted on as well. She is giddy both because things are going to plan and she is getting what she has wanted as a result. The only thing left is to get Bell in bed and have him so wound up that he "makes her his" as she expects and planned so she lives Happily Ever After (yikes...).

Yes, it's somewhat selfish but I believe she intends it to make Bell happy too. My only trepidation in this is that what she is doing is likely to have only one result based on the writer's overall story, namely that Bell refuses her advances and she is forced to remove herself from his and everyone's lives and/or face worse punishment...
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I'm loving the slow build up as all the other season of this series has had, it always sucks me in and has me moaning at the end of each episode; Season 5 Ep 3 a prime example. I'm totally digging Syr's enrapture for Bell and her loosening of inhibitions. She's confoundingly mysterious and it's making me and the "Little Rookie" nuts, (I'm trying to understand the reasoning for her color scheme of gray: eyes, hair. Does it mean something?). He's so darn clueless/innocent understand the draw from the countless young women that meet and eventually get to know him closely. I haven't read any of the novels or want to read anything that has to do with them so as to not spoil what is coming down the pike, but boyo it's tough not knowing. Shout out to the music in this episode, it was wonderful and set the mood throughout magnificently. This series is reaching close to the top of my all time favorites list with this season's change-of-pace cementing my decision. With it's vast array of characters, the quality of stories and animation and most of all - the care of all involved in it's creation it is without a doubt a sheer delight and I'm giddy every Thursday!!!
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