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Lord Geo



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PostPosted: Mon Jan 01, 2018 11:45 am Reply with quote
The funniest thing about this is whenever people tried to explain the general lack of animation in The Violinist of Hameln is, "because they had to pay the royalties for all of the classical music used, so there wasn't as much money left for the animation," even though that's obviously not the case, as proven by Justin's answer here. Fact of the matter is that Hameln's heavy use of stills, pans, & Dezaki-style Postcard Memories was (at least partially) a stylistic choice done by the staff (I'm sure budget was also a reason, but it's not because of royalties).

Honestly, I never got why people thought that anime productions had to pay royalties for classical music from before the 1900s (at the very least). Hell, Legend of the Galactic Heroes's soundtrack is nothing but classical music, so did people seriously think that LOGH's production had to pay royalties for all of that music?
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 01, 2018 12:21 pm Reply with quote
Not counting Evangelion, I reckon my favorite classical music inclusion in anime was Ravel's Boléro in Digimon. Partly because it's my favorite Romantic-era piece, partly thanks to the use of some Japanese instruments in their version.

Of course, we can't forget movies like Piano no Mori, where Chopin stands out, and the (in)famous Nodame Cantabile. Also, Hyouka has many classical pieces in its soundtrack, as far as I've heard. And I remember how they used Kabalevsky's "Comedian's Galop" in FLCL.
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MarshalBanana



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PostPosted: Mon Jan 01, 2018 12:47 pm Reply with quote
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What's your favorite usage of a classical tune in anime? Let us know in the comments!
Canon in D, used in the end credits of Death and Rebirth, is my all time favourite. Miss Machiko had a nice remix of a classical piece, but I do not know which one. Blood Blockade Battlefront had a chess match with a classical piece as well.
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maximilianjenus



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PostPosted: Mon Jan 01, 2018 12:50 pm Reply with quote
nodame cantabile
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Dop.L



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The first (and best) series of Nodame Cantabile, where they dedicated half an episode to a performance of Rachmaninoff's Piano Concerto No.2 - sure, the animation was mostly pans across stills and the odd closeup (but way better than the CG orchestra in the second season), but it was a fantastic use of music.

The bit with Gershwin's Rhapsody in Blue was also pretty neat.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 01, 2018 12:56 pm Reply with quote
Hyakko used Vivaldi's Four Seasons to great effect.
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sk1199



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So, according to the article movies like Walt Disney's Snow White (made in 1937) are now public domain in Japan. Does this mean that someone in Japan could make DVDs of this movie and then sell them in the U.S. without facing Piracy/Copyright problems?
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ArnisEnthusiast



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PostPosted: Mon Jan 01, 2018 1:18 pm Reply with quote
sk1199 wrote:
So, according to the article movies like Walt Disney's Snow White (made in 1937) are now public domain in Japan. Does this mean that someone in Japan could make DVDs of this movie and then sell them in the U.S. without facing Piracy/Copyright problems?


The Mouse is above public domain laws
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Chopin's Étude Op.10 No.3 was employed to fine effect in the final scene of Baby Blue from Genius Party, albeit in accord with the piece's orthodox use. (Call me a sentimentalist if you will, but that little short remains my favourite Shinichiro Watanabe anime.)

More dissonantly, the deliberately banal repetition of Grieg's Morning Mood aided the hilarity of The Order to Stop Construction in Neo Tokyo. The result had all the whimsy—though certainly more of a satirical edge—as the way in which The Irresponsible Captain Tylor allowed Rossini and Strauss II to lend their pomp and bombast to its battle scenes.

Lastly, Your Lie in April perhaps eclipses all of these examples with its utterly breathtaking recital of Saint-Saëns' Introduction and Rondo Capriccioso, though I'm not sure if diegetic cases should count.
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stevek504



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Beethoven's Ode to Joy in Gunslinger Girl episode 13 - calming and invigorating at the same time. Genius.
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Utsuro no Hako



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If Japan's copyright is Life+50, doesn't that mean Edogawa Ranpo and Osamu Dazai are already public domain, and Yukio Mishima will be in two years?

So really, we just need some dedicated translators to get their complete works into English.
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Who doesn't love the classical compositions in Mars of Destruction? Laughing Laughing

But seriously, in terms of the best use of classical composition inserts, I vote for Hyouka.
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Utsuro no Hako wrote:
If Japan's copyright is Life+50, doesn't that mean Edogawa Ranpo and Osamu Dazai are already public domain, and Yukio Mishima will be in two years?

So really, we just need some dedicated translators to get their complete works into English.

We are talking about the Japanese public domain here, not necessarily in the public domain of the doing an Eng. translation.

I like how you will read about anime/manga industry figures (writers, artists, directors, voice actors) condemning piracy, but rarely (if ever) have I read about them say something like the following:
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The Berne Convention copyright lengths (min. of life+50 for most works) are just as bad because they are, for all practical purposes, perpetual copyright. Not enough works enter the public domain as often. Even if the copyright has lapsed, trademarks on the sound, images, or names of a work act as additional copyright layer. At least for the USA, It doesn't help that some big media corporations like the Walt Disney Company lobby for longer or stricter copyright terms when they built a lot of their respective companies using the public domain.


-On why the public domain is important: law.duke.edu/cspd/publicdomainday/2018/why/
-On classic music, here's a situation for the USA: on 12/24/2017, I asked this question "What does a local IP look for on the legality of a local public screening of a Eng. dub anime that might be public domain here?" on a legal info and lawyer-seeking site called
Avvo. When will you legally be able to burn it on a DVD in the USA? Considering pre-1972 sound recordings lapse their federal and state/common-law copyright protections here on 2/15/2067, probably then.

-Heck, that pre-1972 sound recording coverage includes common-law protection for a 1895 song a person's great-grandfather wrote and composed on a vinyl released on 2/15/1900.


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Brett-Butler



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The use of Schubert's "Ave Maria" in the chicken suicide scene in Humanity Has Declined would take a lot of beating in my favourite uses of classical music in anime.
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WingKing



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PostPosted: Mon Jan 01, 2018 3:46 pm Reply with quote
Funny that almost everything I immediately thought of came from KyoAni shows.

The Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya, "Day of Sagittarius" episode: Shostakovich's 7th symphony, 1st movement, and 4th symphony, final movement during the space battle

Kanon episode 14: Pachelbel's Canon in D (naturally) during the cafe scene with Yuichi and Sayuri

Euphonium episode 3: Dvorak's "From the New World," played as a trumpet solo by Reina at the end of the episode

A Silent Voice: Bach's Invention No. 1 in C, used to good effect throughout the film but especially at the end

The one non-KyoAni choice that quickly came to mind was the Bach/Gounod arrangement of Ave Maria, in Madoka Magica episode 12

stevek504 wrote:
Beethoven's Ode to Joy in Gunslinger Girl episode 13 - calming and invigorating at the same time. Genius.


Awesome choice! Would've definitely gone on my list if I'd remembered it.
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