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smurky turkey
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Posted: Fri Mar 10, 2023 3:47 am
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That poor man needs a long break before something really bad happens.
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Hagaren Viper
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Posted: Fri Mar 10, 2023 4:15 am
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The amount of breaks he's been having to take lately is kinda making me nervous - I wish he would take a good month off or something. Hope he's able to rest well and it's nothing too serious.
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StarDango
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Posted: Fri Mar 10, 2023 4:53 am
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This is why, even though I love getting weekly chapters, I think most (if not all) manga publishers should give their franchises an option to switch between either weekly or monthly chapter releases. Mangaka like Hori may even benefit from having extended breaks throughout the year.
I know doing that puts a series at risk of having egregiously slow updates or falling into obscurity (looking at you, Hunter x Hunter and D.Gray-Man.) But those series started having sporadic updates precisely because their mangakas’ health severely declined.
Now, we don’t exactly know what goes on behind closed doors at Jump or why/how Hori is pushing himself so hard. But as massive fan of his work, I don’t want him to hurt himself. These breaks just have me so worried.
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smurky turkey
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Posted: Fri Mar 10, 2023 5:28 am
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StarDango wrote: | This is why, even though I love getting weekly chapters, I think most (if not all) manga publishers should give their franchises an option to switch between either weekly or monthly chapter releases. Mangaka like Hori may even benefit from having extended breaks throughout the year.
I know doing that puts a series at risk of having egregiously slow updates or falling into obscurity (looking at you, Hunter x Hunter and D.Gray-Man.) But those series started having sporadic updates precisely because their mangakas’ health severely declined.
Now, we don’t exactly know what goes on behind closed doors at Jump or why/how Hori is pushing himself so hard. But as massive fan of his work, I don’t want him to hurt himself. These breaks just have me so worried. |
Agreed, also to be blunt, it he gets very ill or dies due to ignoring health issues than the series will be forced to have a lengthy or permanent stop to updates anyway. At some point some kind of system change or option like you mentioned needs to happen.
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moozooh
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Posted: Fri Mar 10, 2023 6:47 am
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That's exactly why I keep saying Jump Plus is the future and it will keep attracting more good series in the longer term. There isn't much of an incentive these days to specifically read a paper magazine when printed manga volumes exist for physical/offline consumption, and this relieves a lot of pressure from the fixed amount of concurrently published series, their strict scheduling, and the resulting brutal weight of expectations a new series experiences in its first months of publication.
For one, since there are no fixed page counts, authors can take liberties with their release formats. Fujimoto typically releases CSM part 2 every week, 16 to 21 pages at a time, but takes breaks every now and then or does a half-chapter, occasionally comes back from breaks with double or even triple-length chapters (i.e. chapter 102) afterwards. Some series, like Kaiju #8, are biweekly and take extra breaks to prepare for volume releases. Some series are monthly. Authors can pace both themselves and their manga a lot more healthily without the looming crunch.
Sure, WSJ is still a strong brand and a trophy for aspiring mangaka willing to make a name for themselves, but I'm completely certain that its publishing model is on its way out, and the magazine itself will continue its slow decline, while Jump Plus will only grow in popularity and number of strong series. When the scale finally tips completely in its favor (which I believe is only a matter of time), it'll be the new flagbearer for Shueisha and the industry in general.
(That being said, Kodansha's Monthly Afternoon is still the superior manga magazine by a long shot. :p)
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kotomikun
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Posted: Fri Mar 10, 2023 8:02 am
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I have to wonder what happens when someone making a less collosally popular manga needs a break. Is there less pressure to continuously create in that case? Or do they risk getting dropped from publication if they skip a week, because they're not too-big-to-fail? Feels like maybe the latter, since even Horikoshi can't seem to get more than two weeks off at a time.
moozooh wrote: | Sure, WSJ is still a strong brand and a trophy for aspiring mangaka willing to make a name for themselves, but I'm completely certain that its publishing model is on its way out, and the magazine itself will continue its slow decline, while Jump Plus will only grow in popularity and number of strong series. |
When we're this far into the internet age, the fact that a central element of the industry is still based on a weekly printed amalgamation of tiny chunks of numerous unrelated series is very strange. Besides the perpetual grind culture it creates, it's not exactly user-friendly to force people to dig through a giant magazine for whichever series they want to read; and it also requires chapters to either be concise and self-contained or constantly remind people what's going on from previous weeks, making it difficult to progress the story and translating into filler or recaps in the anime. I guess things like this just have a lot of inertia.
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Gem-Bug
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Posted: Fri Mar 10, 2023 8:53 am
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Guy needs a longer break. Even with the week off once a month or so, it's really showing in the series itself that something's changed.
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smurky turkey
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Posted: Fri Mar 10, 2023 9:45 am
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Gem-Bug wrote: | Guy needs a longer break. Even with the week off once a month or so, it's really showing in the series itself that something's changed. |
I can only imagine the sheer pressure due to the many vocal fans on not only the delays but also the quality and how the story is going.
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JoseFire
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Posted: Fri Mar 10, 2023 10:48 am
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I like how American comics that are on monthly releases handle this. The main artist behind each issue (they make the lineart and leave the coloring to the colorist) sometimes switch off in extended runs. So you’d have one main artist for 8-10 issues in a row, then you have another artist that covers that for about 3-4 issues before the main artist returns. The writer, letterer, etc usually don’t change.
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MFrontier
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Posted: Fri Mar 10, 2023 12:58 pm
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I'm concerned with the frequency of these breaks though also not surprised knowing what Hori is working on right now.
I hope he takes care.
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Chris Handsome
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Posted: Fri Mar 10, 2023 3:36 pm
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The series is on it's final arc too right? Health issues always seem to arise at those points, I recall some series having to end prematurely due to authors health issues.
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Scion Drake
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Posted: Fri Mar 10, 2023 6:21 pm
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JoseFire wrote: | I like how American comics that are on monthly releases handle this. The main artist behind each issue (they make the lineart and leave the coloring to the colorist) sometimes switch off in extended runs. So you’d have one main artist for 8-10 issues in a row, then you have another artist that covers that for about 3-4 issues before the main artist returns. The writer, letterer, etc usually don’t change. |
I will say I never heard of any stories about artists getting overworked over at western comics.
Its more creator rights than, so it doesn't seem like overworking is an issue.
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uncutpokemon
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Posted: Sat Mar 11, 2023 5:50 am
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Manga artists should seriously do what Oda does, take a break once every few weeks so that they don't burnout.
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-Matthew-
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Posted: Sat Mar 11, 2023 12:22 pm
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It is a general problem concerning long ongoing works, I am not surprised.
I hope that he will finish this work soon! I wish him the fastest recovery!
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