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LordRedhand
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Conferencing with Skype doesn't appear to be a problem, just have to have a more capable Skype phone (Like the conference station by IPEVO for example.) and the ability to set up a group with each person you want in the conference call in it.
My work is in telecommunication sales, so got to know a little about this stuff eh? Although I like the concept of Blood- idea, I'd prefer a more legal approach to that preview concept. So some things on the ground would have to change. But normally I try to moderate and say like a 4 to 5 episode preview is okay, I just feel most lack that sense of moderation and would prefer a legal avenue to do so if they ahem "give in" to their urge to continue the series. |
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Blood-
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Ha ha, I have long forgiven you for your appalling judgment of RahXephon > NGE primarily because I thought you did an awesome job of your first ANN review (Nabari no Ou). It's a pity that speed dating precluded you from being part of the show because your Southern twang would have been a good counterpoint to my glacial Northern tone. 
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JacobC
ANN Contributor
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Yay~  ...Except, sadly, I do not possess a southern twang. I run my words together a little without enunciating too well, but it's not southern. People kept asking me if I'd "moved here from Illinois" or something freshman year at university...when I have, in fact, lived in Kentucky all my life AND grew up on a farm. Some other person took my native accent, I guess. Someone in Illinois is beating their vowels together like chalkboard erasers and yelling "Ay, djeetyit?"
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Ah, I stand corrected. Although, I have to say, to my tin Canadian ears, Kentucky *sounds* South and that's all I have to say aboot that.
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penguintruth
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I really don't consider Haruhi a moe program, per se. It does display moe, but it's snarky and lampshading, and is very different from those over-the-top melodramas like Clannad and Air that make me want to vomit all over myself.
I admit, I was really into Pokémon, even though I was around sixteen when it came out and was already too old for it. I played the games, watched the show, collected the cards (to a lesser extent). I still have my Pokémon card from the theater release of the first movie. Needless to say, I didn't make many friends in high school. I guess I've always been slow to mature. I still like the games at 26. That one guy sounded like Pat from the SNL sketches. I'm sure your preparing an entire episode for me to be on, of course. |
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ChocoBar
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That makes no sense, if it's so popular online why won't those same buying it, saying that the same group of people are buying the same series all the time and not because new casuals aren't gonna buy it is a stupid statement |
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Charred Knight
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Having one character point things out doesn't make it not moe, it just means that one character is pointing thing out. Outside of Kyon it plays moe fairly straight with the characters protraying archetypes like Nagato being a clone of Rei Ayanami |
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ikillchicken
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Loved the new format guys. I hope you do it again some time.
---------- Oh god...I may be being a douche here but Corey made me laugh. Seems like a nice enough fellow but his voice sounds like...what most people sound like when they do a cheesy 'nerd' impression. Poor guy. ---------- I totally agree. Including a single episode of other shows is a fantastic marketing tool. I'd love to see more of it even within other anime releases. I'd like to think that there is some sort of more middle of the road options. I mean, why not include an episode or two of a couple similar, but slightly less mainstream shows on Funi's DBZ box sets. Especially in their case, they clearly have some shows that can break into the mainstream so why don't they work to develop some of that DBZ buying fanbase into more of an actual anime fanbase. I'd like to see more tie ins with other, smaller and more niche focused products as well. ----------- I totally agree with Scott as well. Especially now that a lot more anime is legally available for free via streaming they really need to promote it. ---------- Just a thought here regarding the need to tell people what's worth watching out of all the stuff that's streaming. Maybe ANN should get into that. I love your site of course but I've always found you guys to be very heavily focused towards the eventual R1 releases with little attention to stuff as it comes out initially. Of course, that made sense when stuff was only available initially via fansubs. Now that we're seeing a shift towards simultaneous legal availability, it would be great to see you guys focus more on initial release. I know Shelf Life has been doing some reviews of streams but something a little more broad would be even better. Like for instance, a weekly column with brief little review of that weeks episodes of maybe ten or so different shows currently being streamed. Something more brief than Shelf Life (and again, focusing on just an episode each or maybe two) but more all inclusive to give people a general view of what new stuff is out there is worth checking out. I'd love to read see something like that. ---------- I often wonder if part of the path to helping anime is to shift it back to an older demographic. I think nerdy 20 year olds are a whole lot better for business that teenage attention whores. Last edited by ikillchicken on Fri Feb 12, 2010 12:19 am; edited 1 time in total |
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jenthehen
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Personally, I loved Air and Kanon, but I feel like Kannagi would be a good show to draw in fans to "moe" ... mostly because it has a lot more comedy than drama. He is Master was also pretty funny, but it's not the "sad moe drama" - it's definitely farce / parody.
I am definitely with Corey on wanting anime to be "cool / mainstream." I think what we mean when we say that, is that we want people to not instantly think "loser!" if you tell someone you are a fan. I feel like I have to keep it a secret from many of my friends until they get to know me and realize I'm NOT a loser. Heh heh. Which is just silly. I kind of liken it to the way that Harry Potter and Twilight are SUPER popular and mainstream - those novels could have EASILY remained niche and "dorky" ... even if they made movies. However, something about them caught people's attention somehow, and then WOOOOSH - it's everywhere! They aren't even that great or well-written (in fact, the Twilight books are AWFUL - but people love them!) Think if these Twilight fans read or watched Vampire Knight - they'd probably LOVE it. But people consider it weird ... or a cartoon ... for losers, etc. If some spark could hook in the mainstream and get a buzz going on - then anime could become more popular and mainstream. I am now a HUGE anime fan (tons of dvd's, manga, anime figures, go to conventions and cosplay, etc.) but I didn't get into it until I was 18-21. In fact, I thought that anime was "that pokemon crap" when I was a teenager - I thought it was all stupid. The mainstream audience in the US probably feels that way, too. I personally got hooked in with Inuyasha, but I feel like Funimation and the others could use comparisons to draw people in - liken something like Vampire Knight to Twilight (not sure if you'd need permission to do this or not, but even so - it might be worth it). I've watched a lot of shows in their entirety that I thought were crap - mostly because if I cold buy something and spend money on it, I'm going to watch the whole thing to "get my money's worth" (before I go to FYE/Suncoast to sell it back 
And I noticed at my last anime convention that it was kind of ... teenage rave party  - at least at night. It was sad.
Anyway ... I really liked the format of this Anncast! Keep up the good work! |
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penguintruth
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You're wrong. Haruhi is clearly a send up of the school ensemble story, and the only reason why moe is an element of the anime is because you can see it, unlike in the novels. The show doesn't revolve around this element, and thus it is not a moe show. The moe elements are played for laughs at best. The only character who actively takes a liking to moe is Haruhi (sometimes Kyon) and she's shown to be crazy because of it. If anything, it's showing you that moe addicts are crazy. |
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Charred Knight
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Just look at places like Arlong Park and other forums, One Piece is really popular it sales are low simply because it's not as popular with the people who buy manga. That's how Black Butler can get to number one when the highest One Piece has gotten is number 5. |
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SaiyenGirl
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Ditto guys! I really liked the format of this cast, but I'm sad there weren't any lady view points. I'm interested in what other women are watching/thinking about the shows nowadays.
You know, I remember way back when I first got into Anime that I saw a preview for Princess Mononoke on TV during some movie or other. I know it's not an episode on a DVD release, however it's things like that that pull the usual, or possible, non-viewers of Anime into it. I also think that the Anime industry has kind of put themselves in certain position in the fact that they don't put the effort into marketing/advertising to a more sophisticated audience that they say "Will never watch Anime." That's not true. There are TONS of Anime out there that I know many people would enjoy, but there is this stigma, still that Anime is only porn, or for kids, or just ridiculously silly. People who never watch Anime enjoy Miyazaki movies, I think, because it is marketed smartly. You have to make it look "nice" and "polished" and yes, sometimes "artsy" for people to get interested in watching it. When you give into always advertising to the fans who scream for b00bz and moe and silly and kidz shows, of course, everyone is going to think that that's all the kind of Anime that is out there. No, you're not going to capture the entire mainstream audience to watch Anime just because of the nature of the beast. It's so weird for most Americans, but sometimes the Anime industry just points it's sight on those easy to sell to, easy to convince groups and then wonders why no one else wants to watch Anime. They need to cater to the demographic. If you want the mainstream demographic to like Anime, you have to market it towards the mainstream. Don't let it look silly, or dorky or porny. annnddd that was long. Sorry guys. |
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Modandrocker
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Don't worry. It is a fuckin' terrible voice. I laugh at myself, so yeah. Thanks for sympathy though. |
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kawaiibunny3
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yes, I'm also sad there were no female opinions :< I wanted to, but I didn't really know what kind of opinions you were looking for and if mine were suitable. plus I don't know how to work skype. I think the conversation that interested me the most was the last one about why streaming anime isn't working? a few points I wanted to mention I still use Youtube for streaming anime if the anime I want to watch isn't anywhere else. Which usually ends up being 70s-90s magical girl/shoujo titles, or just titles by Media Blasters or ADV that haven't gone anywhere official. like just a few days ago I was trying to watch Wedding Peach, but could only find it on youtube (luckily though, that show made me want to punch some screenwriters in the face, so I stopped) and for someone who's really into older shows that would never make a dime here, I would like for there to be some way for me to be able to support them. Shoujo always gets the short end of the stick here it seems :/ also, yes I would like for them to fix the streaming somehow, my internet is terrible and stops loading my video just whenever the hell it feels like it. And I love watching things on my TV (even if i am one of the last people who doesn't use an HD-TV apparently) whoops. long rant  sorry.
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Splitter
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Ah, Soul Eater... I hope the first half makes money and the second half bombs entirely. Why they had to go and make it SUPER SERIOUS is beyond me. Killed the whole dynamic. Still love the look of it though.
The problem with moe is moe isn't a genre. There are obviously various anime that cater to the moe enthusiasts, but moe isn't really a genre, but an element of a certain character, and this element takes on many forms such as yandere and tsundere and the like. What you're talking about is moeblob (Key stuff, K-ON!, etc.) which is where the characters is so intentionally stylized to appeal to all different forms of moe, K-ON! being the perfect example featuring tsundere, dojikko, imouto, nekomimi, twintail, easily frightened, genki girl, tomboy, rich girl clueless about society, innocent yuri fantasizing, etc. etc. etc., HOWEVER these are all elements that can individually be found in a multitude of different series, so there is no one particular place to tell someone where to find moe. These days, it's everywhere in every possible degree. I love you guys for playing the 4Piece theme everytime you mentioned 4Kids. I hate to admit it, but you listen to that song long enough and you will learn to love it albeit in the manner of mocking it. Really though, besides the elements you mentioned already (kids don't watch TV anymore (at least not cartoons), merchandising is nigh-impossible, 4Kids gave FUNi sloppy seconds), I have a hard time convincing people to watch it on the sole grounds that it's TOO FREAKIN' LONG. I mean, Oda said we were about a third of the way through in Enies Lobby, right? Even with Naruto, fans can skip Filler Hell and cut off a good 80 episodes, but OP is pretty dedicated. It's a hard pill for a lot of people to swallow going in, and in a time where 13/26 episode anime is the norm, it's only makes it that much harder for them. The only other thing I really want to make a point on is the cons, in which I am in whole agreement. I'm tired of getting dirty looks from breaking up flash mobs because I want to walk down the hall to a panel or the dealer's room. These self-entitled brats who think they have the right to act like a bunch of hooligans because they're dressed like L or Ichigo need to learn the meaning of the word "respect", because as long as they're blasting Caramelldansen in my ear, I will yell at them that they are being way too freakin' loud no matter how many dirty glares they give me for it. Great show, loved the format change-up, and hope you'll do it again in the future. After all, 46 more shows to go this year 
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