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Sword of Whedon



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PostPosted: Tue Jun 08, 2004 2:54 pm Reply with quote
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I'm also aware of cover bands and other "derivative work" that apparently have never gotten into any sort of legal trouble for their work.


Any venue where cover bands play pays a fee to ASCAP, BMI and other musicians unions. They submit a list of the songs performed and are charged accordingly (exception- Jimmy Buffet doesn't let ANYONE cover his music)

The full story on Happy Birthday- http://www.snopes.com/music/songs/birthday.htm

Scans of score books is definately copyright infringement, same as copying a book. MIDIs, tabs, and other fan work are also illegal, but usually not gone after unless money is changing hands. There are tons of scorebooks for bands, for piano, for whatever, and just because it might not have been arranged or transcribed by the composer/artist doesn't mean that they still aren't getting paid for composing
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Shiki MSHTS



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PostPosted: Tue Jun 08, 2004 5:52 pm Reply with quote
Sword of Whedon wrote:
The full story on Happy Birthday- http://www.snopes.com/music/songs/birthday.htm


That's just terrible. =/

Sword of Whedon wrote:
Scans of score books is definately copyright infringement, same as copying a book. MIDIs, tabs, and other fan work are also illegal, but usually not gone after unless money is changing hands. There are tons of scorebooks for bands, for piano, for whatever, and just because it might not have been arranged or transcribed by the composer/artist doesn't mean that they still aren't getting paid for composing


Midi's illegal? That just sounds out of hand. If something is transcribed, then written out on score, is that really so wrong? I hate todays legal economy. =/

A way of expressing one's self, through preformance of music, is limited by law. Absurd. =/

I wonder how things like American Idol work. =P
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littlegreenwolf



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PostPosted: Tue Jun 08, 2004 6:21 pm Reply with quote
Shiki MSHTS wrote:
Midi's illegal? That just sounds out of hand. If something is transcribed, then written out on score, is that really so wrong? I hate todays legal economy. =/


A Sailormoon Midi site I used to visit got shut down by Toei because of the copyright infringement of it.
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Joe Mello



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PostPosted: Tue Jun 08, 2004 8:40 pm Reply with quote
Since Ifeel like being on topic, here are two ideas:

1) Use a search engine.

2) Get a Midi sequencer like Finale or Anvil Studio, d/l a MIDI, and then modify it to fit your orchestration needs.

That wasn't so bad now, was it?
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Sword of Whedon



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Midi's illegal? That just sounds out of hand. If something is transcribed, then written out on score, is that really so wrong? I hate todays legal economy. =/

A way of expressing one's self, through preformance of music, is limited by law. Absurd. =/


MIDIs are only illegal if they're arrangements of other people's work, it's not the format, just like with MP3, it's the CONTENT. You aren't limited in how you express yourself through music, as long as it's YOUR music. Composers and orchestrators have to make their living somehow, and one of those ways is through sheet music.

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wonder how things like American Idol work. =P


The same way, they get permission and pay royalty fees
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radicaledward



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Composers and orchestrators have to make their living somehow, and one of those ways is through sheet music.


That only applies to modern music - there aren't any copyrights involved with classical music. Which is one of the reasons that classical CDs are so cheap, you are paying for the preformance and the media not what was played.
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C_Brightshadow



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PostPosted: Wed Jun 09, 2004 3:45 pm Reply with quote
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Which is one of the reasons that classical CDs are so cheap, you are paying for the preformance and the media not what was played.


Classical music, both CDs and sheet music is expensive. If you want a classical CD from a good musician (by good I mean the recordings that will last for a long time, which are the only ones that people should buy) you have to pay... oh... 18 dollars. And to get good sheet music that won't fall apart in two months you have to spend... oh... twenty dollars for a 50 page booklet. So, there's more going on here than just copyright laws.
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Shiki MSHTS



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PostPosted: Wed Jun 09, 2004 6:29 pm Reply with quote
Sword of Whedon wrote:
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Midi's illegal? That just sounds out of hand. If something is transcribed, then written out on score, is that really so wrong? I hate todays legal economy. =/

A way of expressing one's self, through preformance of music, is limited by law. Absurd. =/


MIDIs are only illegal if they're arrangements of other people's work, it's not the format, just like with MP3, it's the CONTENT. You aren't limited in how you express yourself through music, as long as it's YOUR music. Composers and orchestrators have to make their living somehow, and one of those ways is through sheet music.


So you are limited to only your music. It's like saying playing a tune through careful playing by ear and playing it in public is illegal. Blah. =/
Sword of Whedon wrote:

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wonder how things like American Idol work. =P


The same way, they get permission and pay royalty fees


I was more so thinking of the first inital auditions (at the beginning of the season).

For instance, the absolute bastardization of "Like a Virgin" on nationwide TV, is that done for free, illegally? (by the idiot who does so).
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Sword of Whedon



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PostPosted: Wed Jun 09, 2004 8:16 pm Reply with quote
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was more so thinking of the first inital auditions (at the beginning of the season).

For instance, the absolute bastardization of "Like a Virgin" on nationwide TV, is that done for free, illegally? (by the idiot who does so).


It's the same, they still have to clear and pay for the songs. They don't have to pay for each and every person who auditions, they have to pay for whatever appears in the final broadcasts.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 10, 2004 7:39 am Reply with quote
Interesting...I browsed around the above mentioned site, in her FAQ section she states:

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Where do you get all those sheet music?
I do not "get" sheet music. I make them. I transcribe/arrange, which means I listen to a recording of a song and write down what I hear.


She states that she uses recordings of the songs and transcribe the music one note at a time using blank sheet music and a pencil.

She still gives credit to the original composer for each transcription (although the animation studio probably owns the copyright for the soundtrack).

In the long run I'm sure its illegal at some level, however, I really don't think the copyright holders would really care too much....I think it is comparable to doujins in this case.[/quote]
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Sword of Whedon



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In the long run I'm sure its illegal at some level, however, I really don't think the copyright holders would really care too much....I think it is comparable to doujins in this case


But since doujinshi are ALSO illegal under US copyright law, you're still screwed Smile
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Hotaru



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PostPosted: Thu Jun 10, 2004 2:06 pm Reply with quote
littlegreenwolf wrote:
Since we're on the subject, anyone know where I can find Yasunori Mitsuda guitar tabs? All I can find are some Chrono Cross ones, and I'd like some Chrono Trigger, and maybe some Xenogears, and pretty much all the songs that featured guitars on his Time and Space cd. >.>


a chrono cross music book did come out. kiro got it for me for my birthday. it's great. i think there were a few songs up online somewhere...either

www.animescores.com or
www.ichigosmusic.com
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Celestial Aegis



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C_Brightshadow:Classical music, both CDs and sheet music is expensive. If you want a classical CD from a good musician (by good I mean the recordings that will last for a long time, which are the only ones that people should buy) you have to pay... oh... 18 dollars. And to get good sheet music that won't fall apart in two months you have to spend... oh... twenty dollars for a 50 page booklet. So, there's more going on here than just copyright laws.


Yes,indeed it is true....although close to impossible to find the original,good quality ones are not cheap.After further research, i found out as well,that in any case,rearranging is not illegal as well from my uncle's law journals. Wink
But,what if someone were to copy a music and distribute it using the original composers name?I mean,not for selling sake, but just for families,friends,or for their own enjoyment?
Plus,if anyone is able to listen and rearrange,shouldn't they be given credit to present their work?Even if it is exactly the same, the composition is done 100% on their own,right?

And thanks again for those who'd contributed downloadable websites!! Very Happy
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Sword of Whedon



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Yes,indeed it is true....although close to impossible to find the original,good quality ones are not cheap.After further research, i found out as well,that in any case,rearranging is not illegal as well from my uncle's law journals.


Yes it is. You're creating an authorized derivative work. The only thing that's protected under that is "for purposes of parody", which a transcribed arrangement certainly is not.
It's not impossible at all to find the scores, and everything from Japan is expensive. Deal with it. Anime and related items are a privilege, not a right.

As mentioned before-

www.animescores.com
www.ichigosmusic.com

Or www.amazon.co.jp has everything you could want, or you can try http://www.kinokuniya.com/ who can help you and order whatever you want. There is simply no excuse, if you don't have a credit card, get a debit card, any bank will give it to you.

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t if someone were to copy a music and distribute it using the original composers name?I mean,not for selling sake, but just for families,friends,or for their own enjoyment?


It's not who you give credit to, it's the fact you're doing it at all. If you lose a million dollars or only make a penny, you're still distributing without permission.

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anyone is able to listen and rearrange,shouldn't they be given credit to present their work?Even if it is exactly the same, the composition is done 100% on their own,right?


It's not their own composition. It's someone else's that they just listened to and transcribed. What you're saying is that if I take "Gone with the Wind" and retype the whole thing, it becomes my own, and it just doesn't work that way.[/quote]
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Celestial Aegis



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OK,if you were to say that copying by ear and rewriting the whole exact thing,i might pass.
But,i still standby the fact that rearranging is legal.I don't think i missed out any point when i read the law journal...(i'll get the tittle of book)
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"The United States Copyright Act grants the author six exclusive rights including (1) the right to reproduce the work, (2) the right to create derivative works based upon the original work, (3) the right to distribute copies of the original work (sale,rental,license, assignment, or otherwise), (4) the right to publicly perform the work, (5) the right to display the work, and (6) the right to prevent distortion, modification, or mutilation of the work.

This means that the author has the right to stop other parties from (1) making copies of the work, (2) making changes to the work or creating new works based on the original work, (3) distributing the work, (4) publishing the work, (5) licensing the work to others, and (6) otherwise exploiting the work.

These exclusive rights are subject to certain limitations. One of these limitations is the "fair use" exception. The fair use exception permits use of a work, even without the consent of the author or copyright owner, for certain limited purposes. These limited purposes include uses for criticism, comment, teaching, news reporting, scholarship or research.

Other limited exceptions to the author's exclusive rights exist. This includes the right to publicly perform musical composition subject to payment of royalties and the right to re-record previously published musical compositions subject to payment of statutory mechanical royalties to the owner of the copyright. Once the author of a musical work publishes the work, the work can be re-recorded by others. However, mechanical royalties which are set by statute, must be paid to the copyright owner."

this is taken from http://www.weblawresources.com/Copyright/copyright-what-rights.htm

Well,looks like i have to admit some mistakes i've made earlier.. Confused
...anyway,i don't think we would get a firm conclusion here.After all, different countries may have different views toward this matter
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