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OnkelDittmeyer
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This isnt supposed to be some kind of thread, throwing senseless and unsubstantial personal views into. Please try to summarize your oppinion about the aspects of anime and anime related topics you dont like and underline why you think like this.
This real interesting quote made me think about my own position towards these and further issues, since there are a few things bothering me about Anime. Dont missunderstad me, i love watching Anime in my freetime and I like discussing and interact with people who do as well, but its an important point to recognize and reflect negative aspects as much as the positive. Here we go, aspects i dislike about Anime: Since the whole Anime and Manga genre became quiet popular during the last years, i feel like its endangering other classical styles of comic and animation. Maybe im wrong and just not that well informed, but i feel like most young comic-artists are some kind of forced the be influenced by the style of Manga and Anime. On the one hand its obvious because they read and like those as well, on the other hand its almost needed to become at least accepted by publishers. Financial success is another cup of tee... This makes young artists using their own style or more classical european or american based styles even more admirable. Second point, its not about Anime and Manga itself, its more about their use by advertising agency and companies trying to benefit from its popularity by using worse than third class, copied, "wanna be" anime-styled artworks ( if you can call it art, i tell you its horrible). Since I can only tell about the situation in germany I asked myself if you made similiar experiences or have further issues. What do you think about the dark side of anime's popularity? Do you have other aspects bothering you? I would like to know more about your personal critics. If a topic like this already exists im sorry, but it just kept me busy a while since reading the upper article ^^ |
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RangFlash
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I dislike how most animes rely on tired cliches and conventions, despite the fact that there's no changing it because apparently that's what sells.
I dislike the fan base, to an extent. I don't like it when some otakus bash you for not worshiping Japan. For example, Pocky sticks. What's so great about them? Sure, they taste pretty good, but really, what's the big deal? The greatness of Pocky sticks are always preached at me like they're some kind of gospel. Do I have to eat, breath and dream everything Japanese to be a fan of anime? I just think some people take anime fandom and otaku-dom way too far. And I agree about the comic artists. So many kids who want to be artists aren't developing a style of their own, and they just imitate the anime/manga they see rather than learning how to draw from the ground up. I've heard many college art professors complain about some of their students sticking to an anime style without thinking about why, and without developing any kind of style of their own. Last edited by RangFlash on Sun Aug 17, 2008 2:09 pm; edited 1 time in total |
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mawzsr
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The thing I hate about anime is that it has an entirely female fan base in my high school. Now you might think oh that's a good thing becuase you can talk to gurls and stuff. Let me tell you somethin though, it's not. Imagine taking all the ugly girls and having them try to hang out with you. Plus I went to Acen this past year and I realized that everyone there looked like a freak. Now granted in a separate setting I wouldn't think that they were weird but being engrossed by their "auras" it allowed me to realize how weird these people are. I even did a reality check becuase i figured I must be weird too. Yet all my unenlightened(non-anime) friends told me I was still normal. So I realized that I just don't like people who like anime. They're likes and dislikes are so far from mine. Granted, I'm a male who's favorite series is Honey and Clover but how can anyone be enthralled with the plots of animes that are so basic. And these are girls I'm talking about; they should like Honey and Clover instead of (censored). Honey and Clover isn't exactly a mind twister either but, I'm just a sucker for romance so whatever. So what do I hate about anime...every fan I've ever met. Wow that's really mean but so true.
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Ikari1
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Yet another thread for people to moan about fanservice ,moe and Otaku culture. Why not make a thread about what people like about anime or what it is they feel is unique about anime. For people that claim to like anime there are an awful lot of threads going up at the moment that serve the purpose of saying what is so bad about anime.
I can already spot the first dig at moe and fanservice in a certain post in this thread already.
Anime, endangering other forms of comic animation? Comic artists forced to to draw in a certain style? I dont think comic artists in particular are the sort to allow themselves to be forced to draw in any style but that in which they enjoy drawing. It's not a crime for a comic artist to want to draw in new styles.
Were brains not standard issue when you were born? Does Dora the Explorer feature prominantly in your television schedule by any chance? This is a completly..........I dont even have the words for what sort of comment this is. Sorry about the sense of humor failure I've just had but it's just so unbearably frustrating reading comments such as the above Edited as I wasnt brave enough to moan about the Ann answerman article. |
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doctordoom85
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Yeah, mawzsr's comment is basically saying, "everyone should ditch the series they like and watch the shows I like."
Unless you have some twisted view on free will, it's kinda obvious what's wrong with saying something like that. |
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Olliff
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For the above posters, any dislike they have for anime can be summarized by their hatred towards or inability to relate to a minority of anime fandom or by anime titles that they feel are over-popularized or rely solely on cliches. There is a certain amount of truth to both of these claims.
First of all, I believe that it is true that a minority of anime fandom adheres to certain type of behavior that can be seen as embarrassing to other anime fans. If I could have earned a dollar for every time a fan an overzealous fanboy or fan girl blurted out during the showing of the live-action premiere of Death Note, I would have at least 50 dollars before the movie was over. Other embarrassments caused by this often vocal minority are wonderfully outlined by AJ in the post above. However, interactions with this minority of the fan based can be minimized. I believe that this site offers a great place to discuss anime with a minimum level of immaturity, one liners, flame wars, spoiler[random unhidden spoilers] and pretty much any other form of illogical fanboy/fangirl drivel. That being said, ANN is far from perfect, as Abunai and the other moderators can argue, however, it definitely better than anything else that I have encountered. The only major downside is that you have tolerate long-winded people and the occasional bout of pseudo- intellectualism sprinkled with logical fallacies. Another reason why people dislike anime is that they become frustrated when hugely popular animes rely on common cliches and other anime tropes. To a certain extent, I agree with this assertion. Originality should be an important factor in any anime. However, all anime is not aimed at an intended high brow audience or even a medium brow audience. Each different anime series is often aimed at a different audience with very different wants and needs. Often the needs of the mainstream can be satisfied in way that leaves a portion of anime fandom dissatisfied with what they believe to be a contrived and uninspired title. I also believe that there is case when contrived and cliched animes can at least perform well above average. Parody animes are the rare exception when cliched series can do decently. While these shows often exude an aura of cheesiness, these series have the capability to be at least moderately entertaining. Examples of series that do this to varying degrees of success include School Rumble, Excel Saga and Puni Pani Dash. Lastly, I believe that most of the reasons that are outlined above concerning why ANN users dislike anime are caused to a certain agree by the overall broadness of genres included in what is considered anime. It is often forgotten that anime is just a different type of media medium. Within this medium are shows that appeal to kids, adults, males, females, the educated, the uneducated, conservatives, liberals, and pretty much any other demographic imaginable. Because of this there is no doubt to why over-popularized often cliched series exists. They exist solely because they are well received by the masses. A series that is seen as terribly boring, seemingly uninspired and unoriginal Shounen action series to one group of people could be the next hit with the masses. The truth this lies to the preferences and size of each demographic of anime fandom. Additionally, the quality of an anime does not always equate equally into how much a person enjoys a series. I believe that the key sources of what can cause people to dislike certain things about anime can be summarized by two primary sources. The first source is the fandom. Like in any fandom or following of any major group, an often small, but vocal minority practice a behavior that is an embarrassing to the remainder of the group. Because anime is a broad medium; part of the medium is comprised of titles that are contrived and horribly cliched. However, these faults can be overcome. It is possible to isolate yourself with a more mature anime fanbase just like it is possible to only watch titles that are original and tailored to your own preferences. Last edited by Olliff on Sun Aug 24, 2008 6:50 pm; edited 2 times in total |
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Alestal
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I'm also embarassed by fans who take a hobby and make it into a religion or obsession. They do degrade the rest of us, high-school anime girls do not know how to put on make-up or dress(at my school), and they read porn books in the middle of freaken art class.
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Zin5ki
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Doesn't necessarily have to be hugely popular series. I myself am losing count of the number of shows I've seen which feature a variation of this short dialogue:
Does that TV tropes place have a name for this method of drawing out a storyline? |
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Dorcas_Aurelia
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Will they or won't they? |
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ChronoBall X
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I hate when good Animes started out as a well thought out manga but than fall flat on it's face with a horribly rushed Anime adaption that could have been better,the biggest example includes Flame of Recca,while recca was an awsome manga with 32 manga volumes(I beleive) but than they rushed most of the good important fight scenes in a 42 episode only anime,the fight between Recca and his older brother Kurei could have been better than this. I also hate when Animes go a completly different route than the manga version,now some of them worked well like Full Metal Alchemist but others just fail miserably like with Inuyasha and Shaman King,and the number 1 thing that annoys me about anime is when a fanbase on one certain anime gets rediculously hyped to the point where fanboys complain almost about every little thing when nothing is really wrong with it,like when people constanly keep moaning about the naruto viz media dub when the dub has been improving just fine.
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Ggultra2764
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My issues with anime:
-The lack of originality and fresh takes on specific anime genres in recent years: After the great rush of anime titles in 2006 with titles like Nana, The Girl Who Leapt Through Time, and the Haruhi-centric titles of Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya and Ouran High School Host Club, it's been rather difficult for me to get into more recent titles from this year and 2007 since it's the same old thing. Gurren-Lagann and Nodame Cantabile have caught my interest out of the 2007 titles. But much of the buzz I've heard about for recent titles in anime forums have been focused on dating sim titles that follow character archetypes and cliched plot elements. As a result, I've been putting greater focus on watching older anime titles lately. -The ignorance of fandom- A good chunk of the anime fans I've come across tend to fall prey to certain aspects of anime fandom whether it's being a Naru-tard, following the moe craze, or worshipping specific characters of an anime series like they were a god. They are so fixated on that aspect of fandom that they either overlook other anime titles or bash anyone that criticizes the fandom they cherish. It's like a drug for these people. Once they're on it, they're hooked and it's hard to reel them out. -Overuse of fan service- It annoys me greatly when the makers of an anime series decide to go overboard with things that have no relevance to the plot or themes of an anime series, much of this being in the form of sexualized fan service. My two biggest anime titles that I had issues with this for were Ai Yori Aoshi and Mahoromatic. With Ai Yori Aoshi, a touching romantic drama is turned into a harem comedy where panty shots or breast groping intrude quite often on the mood of the series. My biggest issue with Mahoromatic came in the form of spoiler[oversexed teacher Saori Shikijou who was the biggest waste of a character I've seen in anime. Her presence had no relevance to the plot of the series as all she did was drink or try having her way with Suguru.] -English dub haters- Enough folks I come across detest English dubs and would rather deny their existence without giving them a second thought. With greater acceptance of anime in recent years comes the greater effort by dubbing studios to be as faithful to the original source material as possible. Not all dubs are on the same level in quality voice acting as the original Japanese version. I know this much. But if the effort is there in the actting and maintaining the original lines as close as possible, then I can respect that much out of the English dub. It's just a big pain in the neck when I hear fans rip ignorantly at English dubs just because it isn't the original. Yes, there aren't Japanese honorifics used in nearly all English dubs. Yes, there are some changes to how certain lines are addressed due to the difference in the written languages. Yes, some roles that had female seiyuu for the original version are filled in by a male English dub actor. So what. If such creative decisions are necessary and don't screw up the original premise of the characters and plot for an anime series, then live with it or just don't bother watching the show in English. Buy a DVD or watch a fansub if you want an anime in Japanese so badly. Last edited by Ggultra2764 on Sun Aug 17, 2008 1:57 am; edited 1 time in total |
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braves
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It's just that anime fans are a pessimistic bunch. They seem to think that anime is a superior form of entertainment, when it's really just one of the fold with live-action TV series and movies (hollywood or otherwise). So whenever they see something they don't like, they rush to bash it and hail it as the end of the world, because it's destroying their "art". 
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Shadowrun20XX
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doctordoom85
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What are you talking about? Aside from chapter 320 and beyond (and that's only because Shippuden hasn't got that far yet) and Kakashi Gaiden (which is probably being saved for a Kakashi flashback), the manga has been fully adapted. If you're referring to the 136-220 filler, is that really a big deal? You didn't have to watch it (that's precious time you could've spent watching other anime), and it didn't mix itself with the canon, so it was completely skipable. |
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OnkelDittmeyer
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I think that applies to most groups of people which are getting too focused upon one topic for a too long time, not just anime. To give a certain example about my my issue that anime or new "anime styled" shows displace other shows. The last american "style" cartoon on TV I saw and really appriciated (if we leave out most popular show like south park, simpsons etc) was "Batman Beyond". I really liked the style of the show and their modern rework of the classic batmanplot. Of course, i have to admit that newer productions like family guy are great show, but theyre 90% humor...if you leave this out theres nothing left... |
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