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mdo7
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Wait a minute, I thought most comic book stores (the one I've visited so far) already have manga in stocks and in their catalog and also on display. Are there LCS that doesn't sell manga at all despite it's already been acknowledged that manga outsell comic book/graphic novels in the US?
![]() I mean I thought it's common knowledge for comic book shop owners to display and sell manga to attract customers, or did I missed something else? ![]() |
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Alan45
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They would have to draw in an almost completely different group of customers. That is there is not a lot of people who buy both American comics and manga. In shops where they get a lot of foot traffic, that is in the surviving malls or right outside a college campus it is worth trying to carry both. Keep in mind that they are in competition with the remaining bookstores for manga sales. If a local comic shop wants to add a new line of merchandise, something related to the comics they already sell is better.
Comparing sales of manga volumes to sales of American comics in trade paperback form is a bit comparing apples to oranges. The bulk of American comic sales is still in the form of monthly comic books. A lot of people do not see a need for the collected volumes since they already have the content in "floppy" format. Manga hasn't been offered in comic book format since the early 2000s. (the last to be offered in comic book format was Dark Horse's "Blade of the Immortal" in 2007) Square Enix has been distributed by Penguin Random House for some time now (along with Seven Seas and Marvel) This is likely due to the death spiral of Diamond Comic Distributors. |
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mdo7
![]() Posts: 7031 Location: Katy, Texas, USA |
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I understand, and thank you for the clarification but the reason for my OP is because if you look at the headline of the PR article: Square Enix Manga & Books Team Up With Penguin Random House on Comic Partner Initiative To Elevate Manga Awareness in Comic Shops Nationwide See the part I bolded, it make it sound like that manga are not mainstream in the US nor they outsold comic book/graphic novels in the US since they've already been outselling them since mid 2010's I believe. Hence why my OP is like that And look at what the PR article said:
The part I highlighted in red makes it sound like that comic book stores have never sell manga which is impossible because most of the comic book stores I've visited do sell manga alongside comic book (floppies, and trade paperback) and graphic novels. So that's why I was confused this PR article from Square Enix. Again, manga sales are keeping comics business in the US so that's why I was scratching my head when I was reading the PR from Square Enix. |
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Alan45
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@mdo7
Seeing the writing on the wall, last year Square Enix moved their distribution from Diamond to Penguin Random House. Marvel Comics are also distributed by Penguin Random House. As a result a lot of local comic shops do business with PRH. I suspect that PRH has pointed out to Square Enix that a lot of those local comic shops are not buying SE manga. SE is a relatively small localizer of manga but their catalog has a lot or really good titles and they want to know why they are not selling to everyone. You say that in your experience all comic shops already carry manga. But if this were true for the entire country the above would not be correct. Lets just say in a contest between PRH's sales statistics and your experience, or mine, I would trust PRH hands down. So why the discrepancy? According to your profile, you live in shopping distance to one of the largest cities in the country. Lots of people means more customers and more cash flow. These shops can afford to experiment with manga. Those that get a lot of foot traffic past their doors can probably pull in manga customers to buy the stuff. Comic shops operating outside of major cities don't often have that advantage. Also, even though I live in a fairly small market, my local Barnes and Noble has a wall six or eight shelves tall and about 30 feet long with nothing but manga and even with that they have trouble keeping up with new releases. Unless a comic shop is able to devote at least that much display space to manga they are not carrying a full range of manga. Manga sales are supporting manga in America. They are not doing anything to support American comics. Actually there are two separate comic industries. American comics and manga have different publishers mostly. They are sold in mostly different retail locations and have very different customers. Almost the only place they meet is at the wholesale distribution level. Most manga is sold to a demographic ranging from middle school to late 30s. The old farts like me a few and far between. Local comic shop customers range from middle age to much older. Young customers are a small part. It is a dying industry that will be gone when their last customer enters a nursing home. Manga sales are not supporting American comics and their shops, they are replacing them. Trust me, local comic shop owners are well aware of manga sales. They would love to get a part of that pie, but as Square Enix noted there are a lot of barriers. Display space, money to buy stock, knowledge to know what the hell to buy and the process of attracting a whole new set of customers to name the obvious ones. Oh, and for American comics, shops have mostly only other comic shops to compete with, for manga they have the surviving book stores and online retailers as competition. |
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mdo7
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Just a bit of a disclaimer Alan45: I used to live in Washington DC/Montgomery County Maryland before I moved to Texas in 2018 (I lived in the east coast for 30 years). So most of the comic book stores I've visited is not only in Texas, but also in MD/DC and Northern Virginia. And if you include all the comic book stores I sometime visited within the US continent on vacation, then yeah, a lot of the comic book stores I've seen and visited throughout ever since I joined the anime/manga fandom, they do sell manga alongside comic and graphic novels. Sometime on front display alongside comic book and graphic novels. Local comic book stores know how valuable manga are in the US, and they don't pass down on that opportunity.
I'm aware of that, but that doesn't mean that the comic book industry also relied on manga sales. Hell, I've already said this in the past Alan45, you got US comic publishers that want to get in on the manga licensing and publishing in the US. And I'm not only talking about Dark Horse Comics, I'm talking about Alien Book (a subsidiary of Valiant Comic) licensing and publishing manga back in 2023. You also got Titan Comics licensing and publishing manga titles too in the US. So how are you so sure that hmmm let say Boom! Studio won't open up a manga publishing division given that their parent company Penguin Random House acquired them back in July and given that Random House has launched a publishing division to publish manga and manhwa, how are we so sure Boom! Studio could end up helping license and published manga to help and aid Random House? IDW Publishing could end up setting up a manga publishing division for the US market given that they did published a manga 18 years ago. The market and environment has changed and I think and probably could see IDW could joined the manga licensing and publishing again for the US market. Given that their Godzilla comics/graphic novels get translated and released in Japan, and the Naruto/TMNT crossover comic that came out. They may see an opportunity to open up a manga/manhwa publishing division to not only sell manga, but do more west meet east crossover comic book. I can see other western publishers may joined the manga licensing and publishing game too like probably Image Comic (or it's subsidiary, Top Cow Production) to license, translate, and publish manga for the US market. And I've said in the past why they could probably do that.
Well, wait until we see comic book publishers like Boom! Studio, IDW, and Image Comic open up a manga publishing division and we're probably going to see a lot of more manga alongside comic books/graphic novels at local comic book stores. As I said, beside comic book stores, publishers that create and published comic book would love a big piece of the manga sales in the US. Alien Book, and Titan Comics know how valuable manga are in the US market, and I think they know about manhwa/webtoons. |
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Alan45
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I'm sorry, but Washington DC and Montgomery Maryland are every bit a major metropolitan area. For that matter so is the entire East Coast corridor from Boston through Washington. To see what I'm talking about you would have to get far enough west into the hinterlands that it is not practical to shop in DC.
Back to the beginning of this discussion, your question was why Square Enix had to reach out to comic shops since in your experience all comic shops carried manga. I've been trying to explain that all local comic shops are not the same and there are many reasons why one would not carry any manga or if they did would only have a few flagship titles from Viz and Yen press. Penguin Random House has primary distribution for Marvel Comics. As a result they have information on most of the local comic shops in the country. If they are telling Square Enix that these shops are not buying manga from SE, I would believe them. |
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mdo7
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And I don't know why that area being a major metropolitan area have to do with local comic book stores. Because I guess you never heard of Big Planet Comics which is a real comic book store in the DMV area (it has 3 store location within that area). And before you asked, yep, they sell manga in all 3 store locations in the DMV. We did used to have another comic book store in Montgomery County MD called Adventure Comics (the store was located in Rockville), but it was permanently close (I don't know when or what year it was close), but there was an old ad from DC Comics in the 90's (you might recognize this if you were a 90's kids like me) with Adventure Comic store name and the address location in Rockville, Maryland. Also, Alan did you forget Midtown Comics, the biggest comic book retailer store in NYC. I'm not sure why being on the east coast have to do with comic book stores, I'm just telling you what comic book stores I have visited in the past (when I used to live in MD/DC) and have seen comic book stores that do sell manga alongside comic and graphic novels.
Well, it could be true that some comic book stores in the US don't sell or stock manga (which is crazy because if that store isn't selling manga, then that business won't have a chance to survive given that selling manga does give some comic book stores a chance to survive). But as I said, all of the comic book stores I have visited do sell manga. I have not visited a comic book that doesn't sell manga (and I better hope that's not a thing I would see because I don't think that store that doesn't sell manga have a chance to survive, but then again correct me if I'm wrong). Speaking of comic book store, I just a trailer on YT for an upcoming documentary film that talked about and give a retrospective on comic book store, so yeah my last message: support your local comic book store, whether you're an anime/manga fan or a big fan of DC Comics superheroes. |
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Alan45
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mdo7 wrote:
Large city=high population density=lots more customers=large store with with more money. Adding manga to an existing store is a large investment. The shop has to buy its stock (unlike book stores comic shops cannot return unsold volumes for credit). It has to devote considerable display space to show the manga. And it has to entice an entirely new set of customers to shop there. A large shop has the margin for error to make such an investment, a small shop, not so much. Long run, the comic shop as a thing is unlikely to survive. That you got right. Their customers are getting old. I wont say that no younger people are buying American comics but they are rare and are not enough to sustain the shops. When I started to buy manga in 1997 there were six comic shops in the valley here. Of those, one is left, the shop I patronize. A seventh has come and gone and the eighth opened a couple of years ago. My shop was the most conservative about buying stock and doesn't carry manga. Back in the nineties when I asked about manga the owner said "I can't sell it, but here is the catalog you can special order any thing you want." I've been doing that for 25 years plus. Back in the late 1990s manga in comic book form had been selling for a bit over a decade. Trade paperback collections of the floppies was not a given. As I went around to multiple shops in several states it was obvious that most of the shops had tried manga, it didn't cost them much and could be displayed right beside the normal comics. However it wasn't selling well. Viz issued Mai the Psychic Girl in 1987 and 1988. I think it was one of their first two series. I was able to pick up a complete run of 27 issues from one shop's back issue bin. When I bought those comics they had been sitting unsold for over 10 years. Two of the local shops also carried a stock of anime on VHS tapes. Those were not selling either. In the early 2000s two things happened. Manga moved to graphic novel format only. This tripled the cost of stocking individual items. The other was that book stores started carrying manga, big time. The manga customers for comic shop mostly disappeared. The young people buying manga didn't have to go to those intimidating comic shops anymore. They could buy it in the malls where they were already shopping. Yes, a forward thinking comic shop should consider devoting a lot of space to manga. But you know, brick and mortar stores of all kind are doing poorly. Most of the book stores have gone away but the survivors are still carrying a lot of manga. Shops also have to compete with online sales. Long term it probably wouldn't help. It will still be a dying industry. Just for the record, I was not a 90's kid. I was a 1950's kid. I was born in 1945. I was in my early 50s when I got into manga. I've never lived in a major metropolitan area. |
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mdo7
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I see, and that makes more sense for me after what you wrote above. About malls though, they have already started to close for the last few years even before (and after) the COVID-19 pandemic, and they could become obsolete. I believe according to a PBS Newshour article, since 2006, no new mall have been built since 2006, and that's going to well I don't know if it will hurt book store chain like Barnes & Noble and Books-A-Million (which sell manga, and graphic novels/trade paperback) in a short or long run. I don't see Barnes & Nobles dialing back since they're already planning to open 60 new stores nationwide since last year, and Books-A-Million seems to be holding well. But shopping mall will not survive, and we got online digital library like Hoopla, and Libby which has made manga and graphic novels more accessible and available to a wider audiences (assuming that person has a good internet connection, and a decent library card). The only miracle for these malls to be saved if Gen Z is able to do that.
I know not all comic book stores will survive even with manga on the catalog and on display. Let say for example: Out of 60 forward thinking/progressive comic book shops, I think maybe 10 or 15 may survive even with manga in their catalog. It's all comes down to survival of the fittest, the strongest will survive to quote Darwin and Spencer when it comes to how these forward/progressive comic book store will survive in this market will all comes down to marketing, how big and famous anime titles are in that area the store is located (urban compared to suburban, and rural), and how mainstream manga are in that particular part of that region in anywhere, USA. Also factor in how well-known that comic book store are amongst the local communities, and also how many bookstores does that area have. That's what will determine how many of these comic book stores that sell manga in the US can survive this rough and tough market.
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