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nobahn
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I remember how, back in the day, anime like these gave anime fans a bad reputation.
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Hellsoldier
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So many of my favorites here. Utena, Gunbuster, Macross 7...
Honestly, it's as said in the article. It's a bad idea to edit anime or other media. One only needs to look back in time and remember that Cardcaptor Sakura and Sailor Moon were both edited to remove references to homosexuality. Why? Because back then, it was considered "problematic" content. Do not make the mistake of believing it can't be done again. Once you allow this sort of editing, you gave way for other types of editing. And look, there are scenes in the whole of Macross 7 that I absolutely hate, even if I love the anime overall. Be they exist. The End. And while I morally agree with disclaimers and content warnings, I hate what seems to be the trend of wanting to eradicate all minimally problematic content, which is the impression I get from reading some forums. Humanity is flawed, messed-up, and generally, not entirely good nor evil. As such, it only makes sense that our characters are as flawed as ourselves. |
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Greed1914
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Agreed. Ultimately, it's the same concept, even if what is edited changes. I'm fine with content warnings, even if some of them might seem a bit overboard. I'm a big believer in, "Don't like it, then don't watch it" meaning people are free to choose whether to engage with content, but they should not impede others' ability to do so. The same goes for a company acquiring rights to something. Figure out ahead of time if your company is ok with what it is, as it is, and if not, then move along and let someone else have a chance. Do not acquire rights to it and then presume to know better what is acceptable. Treat the work and creators with the respect of leaving it intact. Treat your audience with enough respect to inform them about what it is, and let them decide for themselves. |
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bassgs435
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It’s easy when content you dislike is cut to presume that the people in charge agree with you and follow your ideas and forever will. And that’s a mistake. Reality: Who and why is unknown and we don’t know what they”ll want to cut next. This is why accepting changes like this is bad: you gotta have principles. The people in charge never declared themselves your ally, so don’t give them power that can be used to cut stuff you like. Even if they were, they can be replaced by people who will use said power to cut stuff you like.
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tintor2
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I recall Irresponsible Captain Tylor's opening where the protagonist runs in the hospital, revealing his naked body since he was covered by bandages. Deen's Ranma also had several scenes that were edited while Goku's crotch had to be blurred in reairings of Dragon Ball GT as Toei found it funny to show Goku naked in the opening. On a strange case, JC Staff's Orphen was never censored in my country even though there are lots of shots of a naked Azarie even in the opening or the final episode of season 1. Same with the typical nudity of Cleao that led to the dub casually have Orphen "I ain't even aroused by women like you" without any issues.
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Megumi Chisato
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There seems to be a worrying trend in media where characters can no longer be flawed and nothing controversial can be shown on screen, lest the title be accused of promoting said bad values or actions. The one that comes immediately to mind is how Sokka's initial sexist preconceptions were completely excised from his character in the live-action version.
Media has always been a two-way street. There's the author's intention, but there's also the viewer's interpretation. It takes two hands to clap, and the viewer has a choice in how they want to perceive something. |
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tintor2
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Even Pokemon had some extreme sexist jokes if you google "based James". Yugioh GX's localization had some extreme censorship but there are some gags that feel adult like when they reference The Big Lebowski, puberty, American Pie and even some gender misconceptions about the teacher who always wants to mess with the protagonist. |
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TheSeventhSense
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And why should we concern ourselves with an unfair and biased reputation? So many subcultures (gamers, furries, the queer community, etc.) share the same burden, and the in-fighting it leads to, just to try to appease people who will think you're a freak pervert regardless, is a waste. |
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Eilavel
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Having seen both versions, I still prefer the censored version of Honneamise. Not because of prurience over such content being in a film, but because its just not integrated into the plot or character arcs at all and all the analysis I read about it really seems post hoc to me.
I guess I don't share the sensation that the original form/intent is as sacred a thing as seems to be the general view. Indeed, theres a handful of things I prefer fanedits of (not that those are censorious edits, but in a principle sense...). On the other hand, censorship (including Honneamise, of course!) is done largely to cater to social mores and has been regressive more often that not. So I'm not unhappy it gets pushback because its most often bad. Nowadays theres absolutely no excuse for not at the least also having the uncensored version also available if its insisted upon, given how trivial this is to do on streaming; I would totally agree theres a difference between making an edit available and rewriting history. |
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bassgs435
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This is the problem: Having 2 versions? OK. Let people choose. But only having the edited one is bad. The people making these changes aren’t your allies with the same ideas you have: giving them the power will affect you negatively sooner or later. Even if they are, the next in line won’t be and will still have the power. You don’t know the people making changes, so don’t trust them because you happen to agree with the canges currently |
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Hellsoldier
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Exactly. Leave your due warnings and let people decide. Even if some content warnings are, as you said, a bit excessive. "Content Warning: Everything under the Sun, including the Sun Itself" kind of thing.
I think many people miss the difference between flawed characters and a narrative that endorses said flaws. This matters to me as I am trying to finish a book for two and a half years now. Also, I feel less and less people want to have their values challenged. The greatest works tend to be, to an extent or another, confrontational. People seem to forget that part of the reason many of us have the Civil Liberties we have today is in part because of said works of fiction. Philadelphia was a confrontational movie, confronting society with its own prejudice. If we insist on trying to erase everything we don't like, then, well, let's just say that two can play that game. Maybe in the end Fahrenheit 451 was an instruction manual. |
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Eilavel
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Quite; thats what I was trying to say and I agree. My meaning was meant to be that these kind of more pragmatic arguments are generally more widely convincing than the (I think more popular) argument from the inviolability of the original intent per se. |
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Minos_Kurumada
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There was an old crappy mecha called Valvrave the Liberator, there was a quite useless SA scene where the mind controlled MC assaults the secondary heroine on screen.
The scene is so bizarre... there are cuts to the school having a party and is implied that the girl liked it. That series was a train wreck. Anyways, I think I have lost the count of how many "MC saves the heroine before getting assaulted" trope, it's a trope shared by all humanity in all forms of history telling, its lazy writing to get you to like the MC if you ask me. |
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tintor2
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From the creators of Code Geass! Then again, the character designer happens to be Katsura Hoshino who openly said once that she hates her protagonist Allen Walker even though he is one of the nicest protagonists ever. |
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Arale Kurashiki
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2013 is "old" now!? D: |
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