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oilers2007
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Posted: Wed Oct 02, 2024 2:10 am
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Will people stop saying anime is dying now?
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Nemu Asahi
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Posted: Wed Oct 02, 2024 2:51 am
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oilers2007 wrote: | Will people stop saying anime is dying now? |
It is. Because people who work on it are paid slave wages while people who invest in it get all the money. People who want to work on anime are disappearing. People WITH SKILLS are disappearing. People are not getting trained to get those skills...
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Posted: Wed Oct 02, 2024 3:47 am
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oilers2007 wrote: | Will people stop saying anime is dying now? |
People have always said anime is on the decline, but it's just growing. It seems like they’re pretending to hate it because it’s thriving.
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Posted: Wed Oct 02, 2024 4:03 am
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Nemu Asahi wrote: |
oilers2007 wrote: | Will people stop saying anime is dying now? |
It is. Because people who work on it are paid slave wages while people who invest in it get all the money. People who want to work on anime are disappearing. People WITH SKILLS are disappearing. People are not getting trained to get those skills... |
That’s not true. There are more studios now than before, which proves people still want to work in anime. If your point were valid, there wouldn't be any anime being produced. Plus, studios have more animators today than they had in the past.
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manapear
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Posted: Wed Oct 02, 2024 12:13 pm
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Feels like one has to misread or misinterpret the data to not realize how anime is on a decline/dying.
Look at the numbers when it comes to revenue. There may be more studios now*, but a slight more than half of them are not doing well financially. And Nemu Asahi's point still stands. We're not even sure if there are necessarily more animators; but we do know animation is out-sourced at an astonishing rate. Hard to say if it's more than past decades, but it seems it. I can't recall ever hearing about debacles like the recent one where they couldn't even keep track of who out-sourced to who.
Besides the revenue of studios and the way animators are being very vocal about their treatment still, wasn't it just during this past AX where someone from the industry talked about merchandising being down? Pretty sure the numbers have reflected that too.
There's an over-saturation of low budget anime, workers aren't being treated well, and merchandising is on a bad curve. Those aren't good signs for the industry. And pretending it's going well because greedy people at the top are making enough money to fill their pockets isn't helping anyone, or the industry at large.
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Posted: Wed Oct 02, 2024 7:23 pm
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manapear wrote: | We're not even sure if there are necessarily more animators |
It's true that the number of animators has increased over time. In the past, studios would only produce a couple of anime per season, but now there’s a lot more demand. Studios like WIT and Sunrise have even started their own training programs. This is part of the reason how Kyoto Animation managed to rebuild after the arson. What I mean is that both Kyoto Animation and WIT have grown their animation teams compared to when they first started even MAPPA is growing than before maybe because they also have a training program so yeah there probably more studios doing this that we don't know it yet so i think this is will not lead to declined.
manapear wrote: | but we do know animation is out-sourced at an astonishing rate. Hard to say if it's more than past decades, but it seems it. I can't recall ever hearing about debacles like the recent one where they couldn't even keep track of who out-sourced to who. |
There are two types of outsourcing: domestic (within Japan) and international (outside Japan). Studios like Kyoto Animation and GOHands keep everything in-house and don’t outsource their animation to other Japanese studios. It's clear that there were fewer animators in the past since they only produced around 1-3 anime per season.
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Posted: Wed Oct 02, 2024 7:33 pm
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manapear wrote: | Feels like one has to misread or misinterpret the data to not realize how anime is on a decline/dying.
Look at the numbers when it comes to revenue. There may be more studios now*, but a slight more than half of them are not doing well financially. And Nemu Asahi's point still stands. We're not even sure if there are necessarily more animators; but we do know animation is out-sourced at an astonishing rate. Hard to say if it's more than past decades, but it seems it. I can't recall ever hearing about debacles like the recent one where they couldn't even keep track of who out-sourced to who.
Besides the revenue of studios and the way animators are being very vocal about their treatment still, wasn't it just during this past AX where someone from the industry talked about merchandising being down? Pretty sure the numbers have reflected that too.
There's an over-saturation of low budget anime, workers aren't being treated well, and merchandising is on a bad curve. Those aren't good signs for the industry. And pretending it's going well because greedy people at the top are making enough money to fill their pockets isn't helping anyone, or the industry at large. |
Many Japanese studios play a supporting role and are not credited as the main studio. To find out which studios helped produce the anime, you have to check the credits.
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enurtsol
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Posted: Fri Oct 04, 2024 3:54 am
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Reminds us of the mom-and-pop stores where they survive from project to project
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tsog
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Posted: Fri Oct 04, 2024 11:01 am
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Quote: | Of the 317 companies surveyed, 93 reported having five or fewer employees, 98 companies listed less than 20 employees, 60 reported less than 50 employees, 38 had less than 100 employees, and 28 companies had more than 100 employees. |
This is confusing. If 93 are <5, then <50 must be greater than 93 since <50 includes <5. Yet <50 is reported as 60.
This should instead read (and I paraphrase): 95 with five or fewer, 98 with six to 19, 60 with 20 to 49, 38 with 50 to 99, and 28 with 100 or more.
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