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MFrontier
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Posted: Sat Sep 14, 2024 7:47 pm
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Looking forward to season 2 and how Kobato and Osanai will interact with their new love interests before mysteries inevitably bring them back together.
Also never expected to hear Yume Miyamato as a gyaru-esque character.
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Kiwi93
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Posted: Sat Sep 14, 2024 8:01 pm
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MFrontier wrote: | Looking forward to season 2 and how Kobato and Osanai will interact with their new love interests before mysteries inevitably bring them back together.
Also never expected to hear Yume Miyamato as a gyaru-esque character. |
I agree! This was one of the highlights for me this season and am glad it’s getting a S2.
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Yune Amagiri
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Posted: Sat Sep 14, 2024 8:24 pm
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Nice ! it was one of my most wanted sequel from this season, they ought to continue to be anything but ordinary.
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fathomlessblue
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Posted: Sat Sep 14, 2024 8:57 pm
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I really enjoyed Shoshimim, but I might just leave it with what we currently have, as I honestly think that's the best conclusion to Kobato & Osanai's relationship you could hope for, certainly in the former's case. It lacks perfect closure & feels anticlimactic, but in a way that's true to a lot of failing relationships.
I honestly have a weird relationship with this show, as while I think Osanai is easily one of the most compelling & nuanced characters I've come across in a show in years, I'm probably not in alignment with how the author views her. He seems to be treating Kobato & Osanai as distorted mirror images of each other, while I view the former as pretty normal kid trying to reign in his worst tendencies, while the latter is the kind of manipulative sociopath crime book writers dream of.
She spent most of the finale cheerfully describing how she manipulated others into framing someone without leaving evidence to back to her, then when confronted immediately pulls out a sob story, before deflecting responsibility by jabbing at Kobato's weak points rather than fully confront the gravity of her actions. Bloody masterful tactics for a villain in a psychological thriller, not so much a counterpoint to a teen trying not to be a smug asshole. Even her scene in the library felt chilling with what we know about her. Pray for that poor student council kid.
Presumably that's not the take I'm supposed to walk away with, but I've long since stopped trusting anything Osanai says or does, so this finale feels like a solid conclusion. I don't need to see Kobato & Osanai to slowly reconcile. Their issues are not the same to me.
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FilthyCasual
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Posted: Sat Sep 14, 2024 9:07 pm
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Thank god we're getting another season, it can't end like this. I'm looking forward to seeing the dynamics of the new characters.
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Cuddylicious
Joined: 22 Jul 2023
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Posted: Sat Sep 14, 2024 9:43 pm
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fathomlessblue wrote: | I really enjoyed Shoshimim, but I might just leave it with what we currently have, as I honestly think that's the best conclusion to Kobato & Osanai's relationship you could hope for, certainly in the former's case. It lacks perfect closure & feels anticlimactic, but in a way that's true to a lot of failing relationships.
I honestly have a weird relationship with this show, as while I think Osanai is easily one of the most compelling & nuanced characters I've come across in a show in years, I'm probably not in alignment with how the author views her. He seems to be treating Kobato & Osanai as distorted mirror images of each other, while I view the former as pretty normal kid trying to reign in his worst tendencies, while the latter is the kind of manipulative sociopath crime book writers dream of.
She spent most of the finale cheerfully describing how she manipulated others into framing someone without leaving evidence to back to her, then when confronted immediately pulls out a sob story, before deflecting responsibility by jabbing at Kobato's weak points rather than fully confront the gravity of her actions. Bloody masterful tactics for a villain in a psychological thriller, not so much a counterpoint to a teen trying not to be a smug asshole. Even her scene in the library felt chilling with what we know about her. Pray for that poor student council kid.
Presumably that's not the take I'm supposed to walk away with, but I've long since stopped trusting anything Osanai says or does, so this finale feels like a solid conclusion. I don't need to see Kobato & Osanai to slowly reconcile. Their issues are not the same to me. |
Yeah… WTF indeed. I don't know what to think. I'll probably watch the second season though. And isn't that what the studio wants? Anyway, the photography and such was beautiful/interesting, no doubt. Osanai is kawaii and scary at the same time. Hmm…
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Glordit
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Posted: Sun Sep 15, 2024 1:59 am
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fathomlessblue wrote: | I really enjoyed Shoshimim, but I might just leave it with what we currently have, as I honestly think that's the best conclusion to Kobato & Osanai's relationship you could hope for, certainly in the former's case. It lacks perfect closure & feels anticlimactic, but in a way that's true to a lot of failing relationships.
I honestly have a weird relationship with this show, as while I think Osanai is easily one of the most compelling & nuanced characters I've come across in a show in years, I'm probably not in alignment with how the author views her. He seems to be treating Kobato & Osanai as distorted mirror images of each other, while I view the former as pretty normal kid trying to reign in his worst tendencies, while the latter is the kind of manipulative sociopath crime book writers dream of.
She spent most of the finale cheerfully describing how she manipulated others into framing someone without leaving evidence to back to her, then when confronted immediately pulls out a sob story, before deflecting responsibility by jabbing at Kobato's weak points rather than fully confront the gravity of her actions. Bloody masterful tactics for a villain in a psychological thriller, not so much a counterpoint to a teen trying not to be a smug asshole. Even her scene in the library felt chilling with what we know about her. Pray for that poor student council kid.
Presumably that's not the take I'm supposed to walk away with, but I've long since stopped trusting anything Osanai says or does, so this finale feels like a solid conclusion. I don't need to see Kobato & Osanai to slowly reconcile. Their issues are not the same to me. |
I like to think that Kobato was trying to be more like Osanai while Kobato doesn't want to become Osanai. They stuck around each other to try and regulate their tendencies but Osanai had already "broke free" by the time she had planned her revenge for the bike theft.
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James02
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Posted: Sun Sep 15, 2024 3:52 am
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Okay, so... there are currently 5 volumes out right now. It's still going. The first season covered the 1st and 2nd volumes, and the 2nd season will cover the 3rd & 5th volumes. I wonder what they're up to by skipping the 4th volume.
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smurky turkey
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Posted: Sun Sep 15, 2024 4:17 am
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James02 wrote: | Okay, so... there are currently 5 volumes out right now. It's still going. The first season covered the 1st and 2nd volumes, and the 2nd season will cover the 3rd & 5th volumes. I wonder what they're up to by skipping the 4th volume. |
The 4th volume is a collection of short(er) stories while the rest all have a central story.
As for Osanai... while she is an interesting character she is dangerous and toxic to be around. I kind of hope they do not get back together because Kobato is better of avoiding her entirely. The last episode confirmed this in that it seems like Osanai very much does not regret her actions in any way and will not own up to them either.
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Sekaro
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Posted: Sun Sep 15, 2024 4:25 am
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Interesting... So this gets an almost immediate sequel but HYOUKA is still left in the dust with seemingly no continuation in sight. I've heard the latter doesnt really have enough material for a S2 but this still kinda hurts. Well that aside, I do like the direction they're heading with this series so I'll stick around for the next season.
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Beltane
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Posted: Sun Sep 15, 2024 12:26 pm
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Sekaro wrote: | Interesting... So this gets an almost immediate sequel but HYOUKA is still left in the dust with seemingly no continuation in sight. I've heard the latter doesnt really have enough material for a S2 but this still kinda hurts. Well that aside, I do like the direction they're heading with this series so I'll stick around for the next season. |
Well, Hyouka has 1 novel and 7 short stories that haven't been adapted into anime, so there's just enough material for one cour. But it's been over a decade since Hyouka got an anime, so I've given up on there being more Hyouka anime at this point.
But yeah to Shoshimin getting a new season!
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Dark Mac
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Posted: Sun Sep 15, 2024 11:56 pm
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Osanai may be a worse person than Kobato but she's way more interesting. Sometimes villains are just more compelling than heroes.
Sekaro wrote: | Interesting... So this gets an almost immediate sequel but HYOUKA is still left in the dust with seemingly no continuation in sight. I've heard the latter doesnt really have enough material for a S2 but this still kinda hurts. Well that aside, I do like the direction they're heading with this series so I'll stick around for the next season. |
Hyouka got 2 cours. This is getting 2 cours. What's the difference?
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Piglet the Grate
Joined: 25 May 2021
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Posted: Mon Sep 16, 2024 8:18 pm
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smurky turkey wrote: | ...As for Osanai... while she is an interesting character she is dangerous and toxic to be around. I kind of hope they do not get back together because Kobato is better of avoiding her entirely. The last episode confirmed this in that it seems like Osanai very much does not regret her actions in any way and will not own up to them either. |
Sadly, I suspect that this will be a conventional plot where Kobato and Osanai get back together.
The main reason I want to see more is to get an explanation of why the van is abandoned and set on fire.
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ScruffyKiwi
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Posted: Tue Sep 17, 2024 6:42 am
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Piglet the Grate wrote: |
smurky turkey wrote: | ...As for Osanai... while she is an interesting character she is dangerous and toxic to be around. I kind of hope they do not get back together because Kobato is better of avoiding her entirely. The last episode confirmed this in that it seems like Osanai very much does not regret her actions in any way and will not own up to them either. |
Sadly, I suspect that this will be a conventional plot where Kobato and Osanai get back together.
The main reason I want to see more is to get an explanation of why the van is abandoned and set on fire. |
They were never really “together” in the first place, although I think Kobato seemed to wish they were. Osanai, well who knows what she thinks, although perhaps the comment about “liking straightforward boys” suggests that she wishes that kobato had been more forthcomming. She is still a freak though!!
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