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jasonzero3
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First of all, I want to apologize because back in September I sent an email to anime news network regarding a conversation I had with a Disney+ representative in the U.S. That representative said the Macross series allowed in the U.S. we’re going to be available on September 27. That was clearly not the case. While not my fault, I still felt bad for getting people’s hopes up.
Thank you, Answerman, for giving the fans an update of the Macross series. I have seen most of the Delta and Frontier and Zero series when YouTube was allowed to show them briefly a year or so ago. I really want to get my hands on the Macross Do You Remember Love 4K UHD Blu-ray from Japan. I also can’t wait to see the latest Delta movie. |
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Beatdigga
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Joel and the bots were wrong. Harmony Gold is the source of all our pain.
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Princess_Irene
ANN Associate Editor
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Can it be a tie with Sandy Frank? |
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Beatdigga
Posts: 4636 Location: New York |
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Well, Frank's company did lose the Gatchaman rights decades ago and didn't try to argue for them back in court, so he wins by default. Even if Spielberg wouldn't return his calls. (Whoooa!) |
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Kiwi93
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I wonder if the fact that Disney releases their anime on Hulu here in the U.S might have something do with it?
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Fluwm
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With all due respect to Jerome, this is factually incorrect. As is often the case, the actual reason behind this is a deceptively simple one.
On February 20, 1983, one Richard Heineman, left behind in the hotel by his American father, who was in Osaka on a business trip and had brought his son along, happened to catch an episode of SDF Macross on television. Enchanted by the animation but unable to follow the dialog, young Richard -- or Dickey, as his friend called him -- uttered aloud the following: "Gee golly gosh, I sure do wish this Mack Rossoo thing would be available in English someday. It sure would be swell to watch it properly someday! Those were his exact words. Unfortunately he said this while grasping in his tiny hands a withered monkey's paw. And, as we all know far-too-well from first hand experience, such objects -- while useful -- are cursed, evil things. Tools of Satan placed on this earth to gather up the innocent and pure wishes of honest children, warp and corrupt them, and grant them in perverted form. Macross will often and always be available in English -- but not for Americans to watch. At least not properly. So we are stuck with overpriced imports, fansubs, that-which-we-call-Robotech, VPN workarounds, and prohibitively expensive "collectors edition" BluRay boxsets. Thus is is the history of the Macross franchise in America writ, past present and future, in the blood of the foolish and the damned. I hope to see ANN correct this oversight posthaste. Factual accuracy is very important. |
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snake-eyes
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While I enjoy Super Dimension Fortress Macross and Robotech The Macross Saga nearly Equally, I prefer the happier fate for the Bridge Crew of the SDF 1.
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Primus
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I don't think the lack of dubs have anything to do with it. As noted, Disney's had no problem rolling these shows out in markets that also predominantly speak English. A number of Disney's own original anime/acquisitions haven't even been dubbed either.
It's worth mentioning that the original Macross/Mospeada/Southern Cross used to be streaming on Tubi and elsewhere as recently as 2019. I'm not sure why it wasn't added to Crunchyroll. Maybe Harmony Gold lost their rights over the non-Robotech versions? |
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raithnor
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I'm one of the few older fans that appreciate the various incarnations of Macross. Even when it was silly or focused more on the singing portion than the transforming fighter jets portion.
I've written off original Macross and DYRL. If the can somehow make it work cool, but I expect our sun to burnout first. At this point I would like to see the newer stuff make it over to Disney+. Or at least clarification on what the delay on showing the newer series in the US is. I mean, if they were waiting on producing a dub, I'd expect there to be a lot more motion in putting the production together. Post-DYRL Macross is at least 3 20+ episode series and several movies per series besides. If they were shooting for simultaneous release dates they'd have to spread the work out The only thing I had heard was it may have something to do with how Hulu in the US is owned partly by Comcast and has agreements with Funimation. (Meaning it circles back to Sony/HG.) Maybe it's somehow tied to the English/NA release delays of the Shooting Insight game. "Here's our new video game, with people you probably don't know, but you can watch all of their series on Disney+." |
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Cardcaptor Takato
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It should be noted when the new deal was announced part of the agreement was Big West would only be able to release Macross titles after 1987 and Harmony Gold would have everything before that which includes the original Macross and DYRL. This was to allow Sony/HG to use the Macross characters in their live action movie and allow them to release the movie in Japan whenever it comes out. This is also why that one Macross game had to remove Minmay's character from international releases but Big West has also been allowed to stream the Flashback 2012 special on YouTube and Disney+.
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Lord Geo
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Mospeada is currently streaming over on Crunchyroll using the HD remaster Tatsunoko made in Japan, complete with the same visual splicing problems that release had, so Harmony Gold still has full rights to the original Japanese shows made to produce Robotech. I mean, it'd be nigh-impossible for HG to still have rights to Robotech (let alone do anything with it) if they didn't have rights to the original Japanese shows. Just look at all the legal problems that came about between WEP & Toei in regards to Voltron & GoLion, before WEP eventually won the full rights to everything (Voltron, GoLion, & Dairugger XV) through a court decision.
DYRL has never been confirmed one way or another by either Harmony Gold or Big West following the agreement, and the most we've ever been told by either party essentially comes down to "It's complicated". This is possibly because Toho might have some international rights to the movie, as Toho was seemingly the one who licensed out DYRL for those two dubbed VHS releases in the late 80s (the edited "Clash of the Bionoids" dub) & early 90s (the uncut dub release simply titled "Macross"). It's possible that HG might have some rights to it, sure, but neither side has ever said anything concrete about DYRL because its bizarre international rights situation has seemingly been around for decades. Harmony Gold specifically has international rights for the original SDF Macross anime & the characters seen in that series specifically, with the exception of anything produced prior to the deal, hence why Big West has no issues when it comes to Flashback 2012, Macross 7, & the like, which feature members of the OG SDF cast in some form or another. However, anything new that Big West makes cannot include any SDF cast outside of Japan, hence why Minmay was removed from Shooting Insight's international release. It's also why most people are thinking that whatever next Macross anime to come out will likely be a full on reboot that shares no continuity with the any of the prior works, so as to essentially clean the slate & start over with no legal shenanigans. |
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snake-eyes
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I cannot believe this situation is still a mess. I was interested in Shooting Insight, until I heard Original SDFM Characters were left out of the game. Outside of Robotech The Macross Saga, Super Dimension Fortress Macross and Do You Remember Love, I do not care about anything else in the Franchise.
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Cyberjet
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I have Robotech nostalgia and first experienced it through the novelizations, but even I think the original Macross is superior.
However, I think Robotech continues the saga in ways that are more thematically true to the original Macross than 7, Frontier, and Delta did. Harmony Gold is still the worst, though, and they deserve dissolution. Put up or shut up about the live action movie, losers. |
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TMScotsman
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What I want to know is how Harmony Gold is still in business, surely the Robotech license alone can't keep it afloat, the last major thing they did appears to be a Goofy movie back in 2014, and before that was Robotech: The Shadow Chronicles in 2006 |
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fuuma_monou
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ISTR that Harmony Gold also has real estate holdings. |
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