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Essedess
Joined: 03 Jan 2024
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Posted: Sun Mar 03, 2024 11:00 am
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Was the award music circus music? Because that was a clown show.
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Cho_Desu
Joined: 27 Dec 2022
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Posted: Sun Mar 03, 2024 11:34 am
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Amused by Jujutsu winning for best character design. I've always felt that the series' greatest flaw is just how generic and plain the majority of the characters look. Compared to most other anime that get super popular, I almost never recognize the characters of Jujutsu when gifs and memes get passed around.
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MF65
Joined: 14 Dec 2017
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Posted: Sun Mar 03, 2024 11:36 am
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ANN_Lynzee wrote: |
db999 wrote: | Lots of people aren't liking JJK winning so many categories, and if you’re talking about the entire season I could agree, but apparantly it’s only stuff from before Fall which means in this case JJK isn’t winning for the Shibuya Arc but for the flashback arc, and the Shibuya Arc only up to the point where Gojo is sealed. If we’re talking about those episodes I’m gonna say that it absolutely deserved to win most of the categories it won. That being said I would've loved to see Vinland Saga win some as well |
That's only accurate if it was communicated to voters. I'm fairly confident that it wasn't defined as "Premature Death" arc on the actual voting site. They also didn't use the arc-specific key visual. I don't think the majority of voters, including judges, were voting specifically with only those five episodes in mind. |
That would mean that the judges, in particular, are pretty dumb, no? It's not like this is the first year when the previous fall season is not eligible. Otherwise, what would be the reason to include Chainsaw Man and Bocchi in the voting categories? At least the judges should know better.
Anyway, I doubt we're gonna hear this much moaning next year when Frieren sweeps all the awards (except for Fantasy, of course. Nothing can top Demon Slayer )
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ANN_Lynzee
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Posted: Sun Mar 03, 2024 11:48 am
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Lol, I'm actually a judge and no, I wouldn't consider it an indication that they're dumb. JJK S2's airing situation is not as clear cut. It began airing within the appropriate timeline to be considered (the Premature Death arc) then took a multiple week break before starting the Shibuya Incident Arc. It wasn't a case of "JJK S2 started in October so of course it doesn't count." A group of judges, including myself, talked about this on a podcast because the situation was unclear. Does the whole series get grandfathered in or are we only supposed to consider the episodes that aired in the timeline? Well, asking us to only consider five episodes seems pretty stupid and oh look, the arc isn't defined on the ballot and they're using a more encompassing key visual, context clues point to the whole series.
Also look at how many people who are still confused about the fall cut off in this thread and on social media. A lot of participants or observers don't understand the rules, so it's up to the organizers to communicate these situations clearly.
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fathomlessblue
Joined: 28 Mar 2012
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Posted: Sun Mar 03, 2024 12:25 pm
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alabamabeachmouse wrote: | Congratulations to all the winners. Did not watch the event myself, but there's a lot of good picks here.
fathomlessblue wrote: | I suppose JJK S2 winning all those awards shouldn’t be a surprise, although it is a sobering reminder that for all the publicly known abuses & scandals attributed to MAPPA, the average fan either doesn’t know or care enough to be swayed. |
I'd much rather awards have actual meaning rather than being some odd culture war nonsense and an anime gets disqualified from participating because some people dislike the studio for personal reasons. People's beef with a CEO or studio does not null all the good work it's done and would certainly be a slight against the original mangaka to have their series dragged into a personal feud. |
What are you actually talking about? Odd culture war nonsense? The backlash stemmed from the very staff working at the studio you seem so eager to defend, not randos on twitter complaining about ecchi content, etc. It wasn't some anonymous fan artist posting illustrations of Ema Yasuhara putting a noose around her neck; it was an actual animator working at MAPPA making the bluntest analogy for their experience with the studio.
People showing solidarity towards numerous artists making a clear cry for help isn't random hating or 'beef' towards the studio - it's the opposite. It's support towards its employers and alarm over its working practices or (in Wada's case) flippant attitudes. The studio was nowhere near this bad under Maruyama's watch, and people genuinely want to see a return to a healthier business model for its own staff's well-being.
If you don't care or want to think about any of that, fine, but don't act disingenuous by trying to twist folks giving a shit about the actual artists who make the shows they love into some 'woke hate campaign' (or whatever it is you're implying?), while simultaneously crying "won't anyone think of the poor mangaka!". We know deflection when we see it.
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-Matthew-
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Posted: Sun Mar 03, 2024 1:30 pm
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My congrats to JJK, Nakamura and Buddy Daddies!!
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pi8you
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Posted: Sun Mar 03, 2024 3:21 pm
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I understand it's all just a popularity contest and the big tent Shonen cleaning up wherever they appeared (AoT's one episode even being up for Drama though, come onnnn), but man, Horimiya Pieces for Romance? That one actually makes me a bit mad given how strong the other options were (let alone Dangers in My Heart being left off entirely...).
If you find yourself aligned with the winners, that's fine, enjoy what you will, but man, I encourage you to add a random show or two* to your seasonal viewing habits. There's so much good anime out there, stuff that just hits different or will take you on a wildly unexpected ride, and you're missing out if you just follow what CR's hyping.
*Preferably avoiding the field of boilerplate overpowered isekais, but you do you.
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kgw
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Posted: Sun Mar 03, 2024 3:46 pm
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Mintchi wrote: | Coming this from someone who has watched more shonen than shoujo:
Damn, isn't it ironic that people love to label shoujo as "nothing but romance manga" and yet Horimiya, which is not a shoujo but a shonen romance manga, won? There were only 2 shoujos, at best, in the nominees while the rest were mostly shonen and seinen.
Isn't it ironic?
Or even worse: having people in here trying to explain me 'having a girly girl as a main character in a shonen/seinen series makes the series shoujo even if it's published in Shonen Jump". Looking at you, crowd that calls Witch Watch, Akane Banashi and Blue Box "the shoujo trio bcs they're shoujo manga even if they're published on SHONEN jump".
...Ok I may have overreacted since people are already calling Blue Box a shoujo even if it's published in Shonen Jump. |
I can't understand how people take seriously and un-ironically the demographics of Japanese manga as if they had any sense asides. "Comics for BOYS! No GIRLS allowed!"
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Saeryen
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Posted: Sun Mar 03, 2024 3:54 pm
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kgw wrote: |
Mintchi wrote: | Coming this from someone who has watched more shonen than shoujo:
Damn, isn't it ironic that people love to label shoujo as "nothing but romance manga" and yet Horimiya, which is not a shoujo but a shonen romance manga, won? There were only 2 shoujos, at best, in the nominees while the rest were mostly shonen and seinen.
Isn't it ironic?
Or even worse: having people in here trying to explain me 'having a girly girl as a main character in a shonen/seinen series makes the series shoujo even if it's published in Shonen Jump". Looking at you, crowd that calls Witch Watch, Akane Banashi and Blue Box "the shoujo trio bcs they're shoujo manga even if they're published on SHONEN jump".
...Ok I may have overreacted since people are already calling Blue Box a shoujo even if it's published in Shonen Jump. |
I can't understand how people take seriously and un-ironically the demographics of Japanese manga as if they had any sense asides. "Comics for BOYS! No GIRLS allowed!" |
I would recommend that you watch the video by Christy Lou called “Do Manga Demographics Matter?” It explains the whole thing a lot better and more in depth than I could.
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Cardcaptor Takato
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Posted: Sun Mar 03, 2024 4:46 pm
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I feel like a lot of the issues with the Crunchyroll awards could be resolved if they had like a critics' choice awards and then you had a separate award for the voters' choice so that way the voters still have a say but maybe the judges can make their own vote to ensure more overlooked titles get acknowledged instead of this weird system where they're trying to combine both votes. My only real surprise is that Chainsaw Man didn't win AOTY over JJK but at least Bocchi won best slice of life. Besides that the only other vote I thought was especially out of pocket was Demon Slayer winning best fantasy. Like even if you're a big superfan of the show there's no way you could argue that the fantasy element is Demon Slayer's strong point over some of the other noms like Ranking of Kings and Ancient Magus' Bride where fantasy is their whole thing. The other choices I'm like I would have picked something else but it's what I expect out of the Crunchyroll awards at this point.
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Elfensjón
Joined: 18 Jan 2019
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Posted: Sun Mar 03, 2024 6:04 pm
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Cardcaptor Takato wrote: | I feel like a lot of the issues with the Crunchyroll awards could be resolved if they had like a critics' choice awards and then you had a separate award for the voters' choice so that way the voters still have a say but maybe the judges can make their own vote to ensure more overlooked titles get acknowledged instead of this weird system where they're trying to combine both votes. |
Exactly this. And they should get rid of that stupid "Must protect at all costs category.
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Elfensjón
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Posted: Sun Mar 03, 2024 6:05 pm
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Well then, next weekend are the REAL Anime Awards. The ATAs did it much better than this one imo.
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kgw
Joined: 22 Jul 2004
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Posted: Mon Mar 04, 2024 12:07 am
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Saeryen wrote: |
I would recommend that you watch the video by Christy Lou called “Do Manga Demographics Matter?” It explains the whole thing a lot better and more in depth than I could. |
Thanks for the recommendation. Still, no, they don't; it's 1960's sexism: "boys are like this and girls like that, we must keep them separate". And then we have Rumiko Takahashi, Hiromu Arakawa or Kōji Miura in shōnen magazines and people in Western lands losing their minds when a romance series gets edited in Jump or Sunday…
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Saeryen
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Posted: Mon Mar 04, 2024 1:06 am
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kgw wrote: |
Saeryen wrote: |
I would recommend that you watch the video by Christy Lou called “Do Manga Demographics Matter?” It explains the whole thing a lot better and more in depth than I could. |
Thanks for the recommendation. Still, no, they don't; it's 1960's sexism: "boys are like this and girls like that, we must keep them separate". And then we have Rumiko Takahashii, Hiromu Arakawa or Kōji Miura in shōnen magazines and people in Western lands losing their minds when a romance series gets edited in Jump or Sunday… |
I recommended the video because it’s not nearly that simple. Shoujo manga has a rich history and certain style of storytelling that appeals to the emotions, and taking all that away is just going to hurt fans of the shoujo style of all genders. And that’s where I’m leaving it because I don’t have the energy or desire to argue more.
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kgw
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Posted: Mon Mar 04, 2024 5:55 am
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Nobody is saying to take away anything. If a style of a way of storytelling is good and popular, it will remain (after all, no publishing house is against earning money). If it's just a niche for things that SHOULD be that way because "boys are boys and girls are girls", the sooner we get away from that, the best.
Is The apothecary diaries shojo, shonen, seinen? If its in a novel it belongs to a gender, but in manga belongs to other? No girls should ever read Frieren because it's a Shonen Sunday manga or Hanako-kun -which run with may classic shojo manga style choices but is a Monthly GFantasy manga? And also, how many good works in shojo magazines are underrated because "you boys shouldn't be reading that"?
EDIT: but please, don't take it as a personal attack or anything.
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