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luisedgarf
Posts: 667 Location: Guadalajara, Mexico |
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In that case, we should do the same with subbed stuff from other cultures like Korean or Chinese, regardless if you like to butcher the English language with that kind of attitude, cuate [EDIT: Fixed quote attribution. ~Zalis] |
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akumaotaku
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So what do you want? Them to sue to the people which will cause more backlash and more important less sales, look at RIAA after Napster and now. RIAA Sues more, more people don't want to buy from RIAA. |
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Dargonxtc
Posts: 4463 Location: Nc5xd7+ スターダストの海洋 |
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First, I agree with you about anime limited editions, although there are exceptions, most aren't exactly limited. But I think Radiohead getting throngs of new fans for there pay what you want album, sounds a little suppositional at best. When I first read what you wrote, the first thing that popped into my head was, "who hasn't heard of Radiohead?". I am not sure how you are you are relating the selling out of the NIN limited edition, to the fact that he sold his album for free. I mean it is a bonafide piece of genuine rock memorabilia, filled with a ton of stuff, by an insanely popular band signed by the man himself that any die hard would want. You also have to consider the pool from which this comes from when compared with anime. With millions of fans, many of which have a history of already spending money for products and services(shows), 2500 are going to sell out very quickly, it's almost guaranteed. Cross that with anime fans, many of which have no history of spending money, and you get things like the Samurai 7 limited editions or the more recent Patlabor movie limited editions. All of which had 10,000 print runs and can still be found. Heck it took three years to sell out the Saber Marionette J Ultimate Collection (LE 5000 prints) which was hand signed as well. |
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BluMeino
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You don't really buy from the RIAA, you still pay the record companies, but the RIAA is more like the mafia offering "protection" from people who try to bootleg, download, steal, etc. Plenty of artists said they don't care if people steal their music as they generally care more for the music than they do for the money, i.e. RHCP. But all the recording companies are in bed with RIAA, inseparable. Same thing with movies and the MPAA.
Do we have any protection agencies that anime would fall under? |
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indrik
Posts: 365 Location: yonder |
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I think the Radiohead/NIN experiments are very interesting. I think the bottom line is really the bottom line: did they make more money selling it themselves that way than they would have going through a label? It doesn't really matter how many people paid for it, I don't think, it matters whether it's a better profit model than the label system. I also wonder whether it would work with bands who were less involved in the nuts and bolts of making a record, or simply don't have the capital to pay all the technicians who do recording work and the like. Or for an anime company who would have a significant capital outlay in terms of subbing or dubbing or whatever with no guaranteed return, as opposed to a couple of fairly wealthy, successful groups who can front their own seed money. And the issue of a much smaller fanbase is very legitimate as well, but I wonder if that would be offset by the lower production costs of electronic-only distribution.
That said, I still like my dvds. I wouldn't be as interested in a download-only model. I'd be the idiot buying the limited edition dvd because it's the only way to get a physical copy. |
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Ryokosha
Posts: 107 Location: North Eastern United States |
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I think if that could happen even from a fraction of those only watching fansubs then complaining about moe destroying the industry a lot more money would flow to the industry; and yes I know that is a hopeless dream...
Costs have not gone down which is another problem, if companies would be willing to cut costs to the point they are making the smallest profit possible but still a profit, they might see a drastic increase in sales... I have yet to see evidence that is what is going on in any industry. |
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sheentaku
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Well for once i dont think fansubs are to blame.
ITs the fact that anime is hadly known in the uk and very hard to get a hold of for example in a average HMV We have 1 shelf dedicated to anime and it is mainly naruto.. For me to get my anime i have to travel to a forbidden planet or the giant HMV in central london. Another thing is unless your a major fan of anime and watching fansubs you dont know whats out, Only one channel shows anime on channel 199 anime network heres the kicker though it only shows anime past 9 o clock and hardly anyone actully has this channel. We also get anime way later than the us as we just only got FLCL and Beserk we get ripped off on prices £20 for a single anime DVD (39.71400 U.S. dollars). Also not all of us can use online retailers as not everyone has credit card. Yes Fansubs are a big cause in sell drops but really the uk is such a small market anyway are population is tiny so i dont know why anime companys even bother with us in the first place. Are biggest convention only gets about 2000-4000 people a year (london comic expo) and it isnt even a true anime convention. So say a thousend are true anime fans like us they wont all have the same taste in anime and most attendee;s are young teens with hardly any income they usally only get a dvd once in a while. Yes there are anime fans like me who spend £500 ( 992.85 U.S. dollars) a month on anime and anime related products) But i usally import them from america as ... why should i wait years too get my fav anime when it has already been dubbed in america. I've Tried supporting the uk anime industry but we hardly get anything and i dont really want Generic shounen anime 54636 that we tend to get here. Im half french and the anime market in france is booming fansubs arnt realyl a problem there and DVDs are usally licsend quickly and out there just as fast maybe we should learn from the french. |
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BluMeino
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Actually yes, it is too much to ask a lot of us to spend $60 on anime per month. A lot of fans are college students, thus poor, studying, and we spend all of our money on more important things like food, gas, rent, and alcohol. No, getting a job does not increase more cash flow to fund anime, it's so we can make back all the money we wasted on buying un-returnable books. Maybe in a few years if I have a steady solid job, unlikely looking at the current economic trend, I'll buy tons more anime. I spend more like $60 or less a year though, which I think is plenty.
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Ryokosha
Posts: 107 Location: North Eastern United States |
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You mentioned working and said it does not increase cash flow, odd thing is it seemed to increase it for spending at bars if I remember my college days correctly even with the aforementioned expenses you cited... so spend 30 less somewhere else, get cheaper books online, don't go out to eat as much, by dollar noodles, buy used this and thats there are ways (I've done it so know) to buy all you are saying and still have 30 left for one volume of one anime series each month. The thing is, there is always money to spend on what you want to spend it on, never forget that and please don't use other expenses as an excuse for saying why it cannot be done, because if someone wants to do something, they will always find a way. |
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BluMeino
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Sorry, as economical as a lot of those things are to do, to do it for the sake of 11 animation distributed by dub adders isn't worth it.
Maybe I just don't want to spend money on anime..hmm.. I'll have to go ponder that. |
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AstroNerdBoy
Posts: 413 Location: Denver, CO |
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Attacking the fans aren't going to make them come to you to buy your product. Compare and contrast how FUNimation looks at the illegal download issue vs. ADV. FUNimation say, "it's a problem and we are going to try to solve it by giving the fans what they want." ADV say, "You fans are the cause of our problems and because of that, our hands are tied."
FUNimation doesn't attack the fanbase and ADV does. Guess which company isn't having financial issues? |
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One-Winged-Angel
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I think fansubs can do some good if they're used for previewing. For example, when I watch a fansub I don't watch past the 5th episode that way I can get a feel for the series and decide if I want to buy it or not. Also, when I like a series it just gets me more hyped to wait for it to get licensed and released so I can buy it.
Maybe fansubbers should not sub past a few episodes, that way they can encourage previewing habits? |
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Ryokosha
Posts: 107 Location: North Eastern United States |
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If companies are smart they would track which fansubs are most popular and try to find out why, perhaps in so doing and then trying to get the licenses for that anime will make a more successful marketing idea. True the fans who have seen it might not buy it, but if it was massively popular amongst those that watch fansubs it might become that popular amongst people that never heard of the title before it went on sale R1 release... I don't think it is wise to tell fan subbers to stop because even if group a does somewhere there will be a group b that continues on... you can't stop it so I say use it to the advantage of making it market research. |
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BluMeino
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Not going to happen. They'll be sent hate mail if they ever did that, and even if they did, some speedsubber or someone anonymous would come in and finish it. |
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tlatlatla
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[quote="Maidenoftheredhand"]
Wrong. UK releases have to be rated by the BBFC before they can be released for sale. From what I've read, the rating process requires a "finished good." So even if the US and UK versions were authored at the same time, the UK release would not be able to be released to manufacturing until the BBFC had approved. And if they required any changes, that would reset the clock yet again. |
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