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Ryukishi07 Explains How Higurashi GOU and SOTSU Reinvent the Franchise


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LauraOrganaSolo



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PostPosted: Mon Oct 04, 2021 3:56 am Reply with quote
Please God, all I want is an Umineko anime that does the VN justice, maybe then people can go back to Gou and appreciate it more.

But more than anything, Umineko really, really deserves something that puts it in the mainstream, because releasing the manga and VN in English have not been enough.
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MagicianMan



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PostPosted: Mon Oct 04, 2021 8:34 am Reply with quote
musouka wrote:
The Umineko influence on Gou/Sotsu isn’t the exact identities of the witches or references, it’s a certain way of perceiving the conflict. The key difference I’ve seen between WTC fans and Higurashi-only fans is spoiler[how LITERALLY the events are taken. As an Umineko fan, I’m not “shocked” or “horrified” that Rika forgave Satoko; I expected it. The plot was just a symbol of the issues with Rika and Satoko’s relationship, which we see resolved in a mundane fashion—the only way you can resolve that sort of conflict. To Higurashi fans, you’re used to seeing the loops as literal, not as a device. Satoko is a literal monster out of all proportion, etc.]

If there’s one thing I think the series managed to do, it made it very clear how Ryukishi’s narrative priorities have shifted over the years—for the better overall, even if Gou/Sotsu is pretty bad in and of itself.


I think that if a story only makes sense metaphorically that's a pretty big problem in itself. There should always be a surface level to the metaphors.

The story and the characters actions should make sense and be entertaining on a base level. If people don't want to dive deeper into the themes behind a work then that's all a story needs to be. But if a story is all metaphor it becomes hard to relate to.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 04, 2021 8:40 am Reply with quote
MagicianMan wrote:
musouka wrote:
The Umineko influence on Gou/Sotsu isn’t the exact identities of the witches or references, it’s a certain way of perceiving the conflict. The key difference I’ve seen between WTC fans and Higurashi-only fans is spoiler[how LITERALLY the events are taken. As an Umineko fan, I’m not “shocked” or “horrified” that Rika forgave Satoko; I expected it. The plot was just a symbol of the issues with Rika and Satoko’s relationship, which we see resolved in a mundane fashion—the only way you can resolve that sort of conflict. To Higurashi fans, you’re used to seeing the loops as literal, not as a device. Satoko is a literal monster out of all proportion, etc.]

If there’s one thing I think the series managed to do, it made it very clear how Ryukishi’s narrative priorities have shifted over the years—for the better overall, even if Gou/Sotsu is pretty bad in and of itself.


I think that if a story only makes sense metaphorically that's a pretty big problem in itself. There should always be a surface level to the metaphors.

The story and the characters actions should make sense and be entertaining on a base level and if people don't want to dive deeper then that's all a story needs to be.


As for me, the big problem seems to be that literally two seasons of Higurashi is a dubious sequel to Umineko. Ryukushi seems to be afraid for some reason to sell us directly the anime based on Umineko, so he tries in the most ambiguous way to sell us a sequel to Higurashi in this role.
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