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INTEREST: 49-Year-Old Man Arrested for Selling Sexy Altered Love Live! Figures


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Blanchimont



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PostPosted: Tue Feb 26, 2019 10:09 am Reply with quote
Greed1914 wrote:
I'm not sure it's much of a loophole if he got arrested for doing it.

Yeah, he did. I mean, exactly how much different this is from customizing a car and NOT taping over the brand name. I do know there's a ton of those customized cars in Japan, are the owners for those as liable should they ever try to sell them?
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 26, 2019 11:02 am Reply with quote
Greed1914 wrote:
Kruszer wrote:
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It's this exactly. The parts were all his, rightfully purchased, and I didn't see anything in the article of him scamming or misrepresenting them either. Those people got what they paid for as advertised. He just found a loophole.


I'm not sure it's much of a loophole if he got arrested for doing it.

It is here, but apparently not there. Which is what I'm criticizing.
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EricJ2



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PostPosted: Tue Feb 26, 2019 11:45 am Reply with quote
I know we get a Desperate Caught Bootleg-PIrate of the Week headline frequently, but I must ask--
Why was it considered necessary to post the AGE of the culprit, in the case of selling idol and/or magical-girl merchandise, and plastic figures at that?

I checked the article to see whether it was the Japanese news source that insisted on bringing his age and sex into the discussion, for the social judgment of the reader. Confused
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Narutofreak1412



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PostPosted: Tue Feb 26, 2019 12:00 pm Reply with quote
Why don't they just offer the service to mod figures?
Like a customer can pay him for the service and pay for the figures or even send him their own figures and the seller gets those figures, mods them and ships them off.
Would that still count as copyright infringement?

Because personally I would like to own modded figures like that, but I have no skills or tools to do it myself. It would be a shame if there would be no way to legally get those from fans for fans anymore.
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Aresef



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PostPosted: Tue Feb 26, 2019 12:20 pm Reply with quote
"So what are you in for?"
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tomdean



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PostPosted: Tue Feb 26, 2019 12:32 pm Reply with quote
Wonder what happened to the now-illegal goods? Asking for a friend
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Sad Petal



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PostPosted: Tue Feb 26, 2019 1:59 pm Reply with quote
What does this mean for custom Gunpla sellers on places like Etsy? There's two different Etsy sellers I've bought custom painted Gundam model kits from that do amazing work on what they do. They even do some modifications on some of their kits. I buy whatever they sell and for me it's worth it. Cause like I said I've seen some very talented sellers on Etsy that do this type of stuff and I'm on there quite frequently.

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PostPosted: Tue Feb 26, 2019 3:01 pm Reply with quote
EricJ2 wrote:
I know we get a Desperate Caught Bootleg-PIrate of the Week headline frequently, but I must ask--
Why was it considered necessary to post the AGE of the culprit, in the case of selling idol and/or magical-girl merchandise, and plastic figures at that?

I checked the article to see whether it was the Japanese news source that insisted on bringing his age and sex into the discussion, for the social judgment of the reader. Confused
Pretty much all of these Japanese news articles include the (alleged) culprit's age, occupation, and region of residence, possibly as some sort of "name and shame" system. I'm just surprised that the occupation wasn't "unemployed" this time.
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R315r4z0r



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PostPosted: Tue Feb 26, 2019 4:27 pm Reply with quote
This seems like a completely moronic waste of police time and effort.

If the guy bought all the pieces and simply resold them... then what exactly is the problem? Are you not allowed to buy and resell something? And what difference does it make if parts are swapped?

If I build a PC from different parts, then sell it to someone else, am I gonna get arrested?


In these sorts of cases, you need to look beyond the "crime" and question what exactly the purpose is of this arrest. What is gained from it? What is protected? Because, at the end of the day the purpose of the law is to provide citizens with some level of protection. But I don't see any purpose to this arrest.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 26, 2019 8:53 pm Reply with quote
R315r4z0r wrote:
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If I build a PC from different parts, then sell it to someone else, am I gonna get arrested?


That would depend entirely on where you live and what the law is there. Here in the US the answer would be no. In Japan you would have to know if the law that pertains to figures (or some similar law) also pertains to computers. This law seems rather odd to me but then I don't live in Japan.

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the purpose of the law is to provide citizens with some level of protection


In most countries the purpose of many laws is to protect business from the citizens.

In this case, the law may be part of the business which gives the original IP holder a veto over derivative works. It may be that the person who designed these characters does not want any unapproved figures. Or it may be that they don't want "sexy" figures as they want their fictional idols to remain "pure". Alternatively the attitude may be "if anyone is going to make money off sexy figures, I want my cut."

From the view of the figure makers it would seem to be a win, win situation. They get to sell two figures instead of one. I can see some company now, selling a specific figure with two heads and a generic girl figure in the same scale in sexy poses with and easily removable head.
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omegaproxy





PostPosted: Tue Feb 26, 2019 9:07 pm Reply with quote
Imagine you sculpt a figure with your own character design. Someone else takes your figure and swap body of another figure and selling it 5~10 times of the amount. I would tell that person to knock it off, and make your own damn figure with your own character, and stop profiting off of other people's hard work.
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Hiroki not Takuya



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PostPosted: Tue Feb 26, 2019 10:39 pm Reply with quote
R315r4z0r wrote:
...If the guy bought all the pieces and simply resold them... then what exactly is the problem?...In these sorts of cases, you need to look beyond the "crime" and question what exactly the purpose is of this arrest...
Not to be too flip, but the first answer is it's against the law in Japan like others have said. Maybe you should address some of those questions or protests to a lawyer versed in Japanese IP law because asserting the law shouldn't exist is pointless. In these sorts of cases you have to ask if the action was illegal because if the answer is "yes" then arrest is usually the result if for no other reason to get the "perp" where he can 'splain hisself to teh Judge (prevent jumping a flight to Korea, China or the US where he should have been to begin with given his business is legal here and internet sales)...
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