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GoldCrusader
Joined: 25 Apr 2017
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Posted: Mon Nov 06, 2017 10:21 am
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Good review in general but...B for the animation a d B for the music?
MHA had all the best visual spectacles of year. Nothing can beat the Todo and Stain fights. And even then the show looked really good 95% if the time. They were crazy creative. One of my favorite moment was when Deku activated OfA against Shinso. The wave of colors was amazing.
Then the music. How can an OST with Jet set Run and Just another hero get a B? Something is wrong here.
Yea those points I disagree with a lot. That's some A level stuff.
Also no word on the dub even if it was simuldubbed same-day for half the season?
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Gemnist
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Posted: Mon Nov 06, 2017 10:45 am
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In all honesty, MHA can be a little overrated. I like it, and this season is totally better than the first, but I feel that there are too many people are calling this the greatest thing to ever come out of Weekly Shonen Jump, and that’s simply not true.
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Animegomaniac
Joined: 16 Feb 2012
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Posted: Mon Nov 06, 2017 10:53 am
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Why was there a tournament? I am not a fan of the series... had to quit twice during the first season due to "author's fiat" controlling the nature of Midoriya's "inherited" quirk. Well, that was the second time, the first involved the idea that 80% of people had quirks and we followed one that didn't... for not quite a whole episode. Our hero is so special as he's like 80% of the population now... woo....
Right, tournament. I still hold by School Rumble's Jin Kobayashi and his assessment of the "tournament arc": it's what you do when you don't know what else to do. So what I want to know is... when did tournaments become so ... freaking... awesome! - note: dripping with sarcasm.
I look at things from a creative standpoint and just as I acknowledge the modern isekai story is so popular as a fantasy narrative device is because its exposition is the easiest part of world building now- making Isekai fantasy Light Novels so easy to make-, I see tournaments are the easiest way to have characters interact with little or no meaning necessary, where you can have Batman v Dracula or whatever as the final fight with as much at stake as you could want or as little stakes as possible though with Dracula, you'd probably want as many stakes as possible...
That's all well and good when writing a work because you can answer any question with "because tournament" but why is this interesting for an audience? Maybe it's me, maybe I'm overly sensitive to the idea of works being contrived- DBZA hit it on the head with their "I liked all shonen better when it was Dragon Ball Zzzz..." in character Q + A... but it's just too easy to know, not guess, on what happens up to that, why it's just those two at the end and the outcome itself... and this goes back to the idea of Author's fiat and Midoriya being so under the control of the creator that his real power is what the author wants to happen to him.
I miss Tiger and Bunny. "Here's our lead, here's his powers, here's his limitations. Now... go!"
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Eddy564
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Posted: Mon Nov 06, 2017 12:17 pm
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A lot of people will disagree but I feel this review was about as objective as you can get on the second season. Although I’d say the animation is at LEAST a “B+” in addition to the music which should be an “A-“.
The actual review is solid though.
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relyat08
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Posted: Mon Nov 06, 2017 1:01 pm
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I'm one of those weirdos who genuinely had no problems with the pacing in the first series and still don't understand why people complain about it being slow. Maybe it's because I've seen a ton of long running shonen, or long-running shows in general, I guess. Maybe it's also because I marathon most things, including this, so I didn't have to wait week-to-week.
I also didn't think season 2 started off strong(er), it actually took quite a while to draw me in. I personally find some of the comedy in the series to be pretty awkward, honestly, and felt like the second season was front-loaded with the most awkward of it. Uraraka's fight with Bakugo in the tournament was probably the point where I realized it was genuinely as good as the first season though. And it continued that upward trajectory from that point on.
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myskaros
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Posted: Mon Nov 06, 2017 2:15 pm
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Animegomaniac wrote: | Why was there a tournament? I am not a fan of the series... had to quit twice during the first season due to "author's fiat" controlling the nature of Midoriya's "inherited" quirk. Well, that was the second time, the first involved the idea that 80% of people had quirks and we followed one that didn't... for not quite a whole episode. Our hero is so special as he's like 80% of the population now... woo.... |
I don't think I can respond to each of your litany of concerns, but maybe I can at least clarify a couple things.
The "tournament arc" is just the standard sports festival, since MHA uses the high school format to drive its commentary on a society that has embraced superheroes. Most of the arcs have a high school corollary or a basis in standard high school tropes, ostensibly as a vehicle of familiarity or perhaps irony. So the sports festival is a place to show off students' superpowers and attract the attention of heroes looking for sidekicks or companies looking to recruit members (i.e. interns).
And this is pedantic, so I completely understand if you disagree, but Midoriya is more of a Captain America-type character, he doesn't simply join the 80% majority, he always carries with him a past of being the powerless/weak. He has to prove himself and earn his power instead of it being given to him at birth or otherwise for free. This is touched upon more as the story progresses. One of the characters introduced in season 2 might pique your interest, as she has a relatively bland/useless power (she can zoom her eyes to see far away), but instead she is an inventor and gains notoriety by creating all sorts of equipment that essentially function as additional superpowers.
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H. Guderian
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Posted: Mon Nov 06, 2017 3:35 pm
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Gemnist wrote: | In all honesty, MHA can be a little overrated. I like it, and this season is totally better than the first, but I feel that there are too many people are calling this the greatest thing to ever come out of Weekly Shonen Jump, and that’s simply not true. |
I'm in your boat. This season is better than last, but I'm finding most of the characters unlikable. I like where the overall themes of the story are going. But its just middle-of-the ground fare. We're in Bleach territory.
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GamerTimeUSA
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Posted: Mon Nov 06, 2017 3:55 pm
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For all the people saying that MHA is pretty overrated, fair and ok, then you definitely won't like Black Clover.
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Skydrop
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Posted: Mon Nov 06, 2017 6:04 pm
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OK lets assume MIA is overrated, then that means we have to decrease our current rating of MIA? I guess people do watch anime for rating instead of having fun. Looks like definition of Anime is changing ...
btw, at least expected Art to have an 'a/-a/+a' by default because its made by BONES.
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HeeroTX
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Posted: Mon Nov 06, 2017 6:15 pm
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Animegomaniac wrote: | Right, tournament. I still hold by School Rumble's Jin Kobayashi and his assessment of the "tournament arc": it's what you do when you don't know what else to do. So what I want to know is... when did tournaments become so ... freaking... awesome! - note: dripping with sarcasm. |
A tournament is a way to give BOTH sides compelling motivations without making a "villain" too likable. Instead of a "villain" you have a "rival" (who can also be heroic). The Protagonist has to beat his rival for whatever reason (in the case of the Protag, even just "I want to be the best" because we're watching his/her journey), but the rival can ALSO have a compelling reason like "I'm trying to get money to save my hometown". In most sports anime/manga it IS as simple as both sides simply want to be "champion" because they've been dreaming of that since they were kids and you watch them overcome any difficulties along the way. Yeah, the Protag USUALLY (but not always) comes out on top, because we're FOLLOWING the Protagonist. Just like you don't usually watch documentaries on the guy that got 5th place at the '64 olympics in the 100 meter dash, we're not watching a show about the guy that loses in the middle rounds of the sports tourney. (unless its a springboard to a LATER championship)
If you the viewer/reader do not root for the protagonist to succeed, then the writer has failed to make you empathize with their struggle. But that's not a failing of the "format", that's a failure to engage you with the character. The stated goal at the beginning is for Deku to become "The #1 hero". That's not always being played out as a "tournament", but it means that he's also competing with his peers as well as (sometimes) fighting villains.
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GoldCrusader
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Posted: Mon Nov 06, 2017 6:34 pm
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Skydrop wrote: | OK lets assume MIA is overrated, then that means we have to decrease our current rating of MIA? I guess people do watch anime for rating instead of having fun. Looks like definition of Anime is changing ...
btw, at least expected Art to have an 'a/-a/+a' by default because its made by BONES. |
I think in general both the Art and Animation are greatly undervalued, with no real explanation to really back it up. The score even clashes with what they say at times too imo.
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TasteyCookie
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Posted: Mon Nov 06, 2017 6:41 pm
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Gemnist wrote: | In all honesty, MHA can be a little overrated. I like it, and this season is totally better than the first, but I feel that there are too many people are calling this the greatest thing to ever come out of Weekly Shonen Jump, and that’s simply not true. |
I distinctly disagree. As a person that generally dislikes shonens, I enjoy MHA far more than almost anything else that Shonen Jump has put out, being about equal to Hunter x Hunter in it's current outing. And I thought that season one was just fair, but season 2 blew away all of my expectations.
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princess passa passa
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Posted: Mon Nov 06, 2017 7:30 pm
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*shrugs*
It's entertaining...
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relyat08
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Posted: Mon Nov 06, 2017 10:10 pm
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Skydrop wrote: |
btw, at least expected Art to have an 'a/-a/+a' by default because its made by BONES. |
No, the animation should not get a higher score because it's made by Bones. That's not how anime production works. Bones has made some tragic looking shows, just as almost every studio who is highly dependent on freelancers has. It should get a solid score because it is a solidly animated show because the specific individuals on the series were very talented. Personally, the score here sits well with me though.
As for it being over-rated. Who cares? Some people will think anything is over-rated or under-rated. It makes no difference. Just personal opinion that people mistake for fact.
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StarchildStorm
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Posted: Mon Nov 06, 2017 11:46 pm
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Honestly I got about four episodes in to season two and just completely stopped even bothering. I just didn't care about the tournament arc at all and just suddenly pretending like ice guy's been a main character the entire show out of nowhere was an instant way to make me pretty much instantly hate him.
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