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ultimatehaki
Joined: 27 Oct 2012
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Posted: Wed Nov 01, 2017 11:11 am
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If it creates more publicity for anime I'm totally OK with things getting weird.
Anime was weird to begin with after all.
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Hardgear
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Posted: Wed Nov 01, 2017 11:23 am
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This is going to be great, until they do what usually happens in situations like this and eventually throw out everything that made anime popular in the first place to "appeal to a wider audience". Something niche becomes mainstream and everyone loves it, so OBVIOUSLY the solution is to remove everything that made it unique and likeable to appeal to that wider audience amirite?!?! It's not like that stuff is what brought them in in the first place!
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Posted: Wed Nov 01, 2017 11:23 am
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Very interesting stuff. As it turns out, I became an anime fan in early 2009 when the NA anime publishing industry was just emerging from the gooey mess left by a burst bubble. ADV had just become Sentai and CR was just starting to stream currently airing anime titles on its site. A lot has changed since then and it seems more changes are a-comin'.
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Ronie Peter
Joined: 27 Feb 2017
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Posted: Wed Nov 01, 2017 11:24 am
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The most important thing for me is that it has a double impact, both in the propagation of the anime and in the industry of Japan. That rotten business model of Japan, and that dichotomy that the appeal of their anime is global, since the anime is global, should change. If the anime is global, they should make their profits as well. But that is not what we have seen.
Netflix came into play, but the creators complained to producers that the color of the money and the increase in wages are not coming. For me, all this stems from the outdated Japanese business model and its declining industry. Netflix did its part and somehow interfered directly in the industry with its investment in content. If this will translate as an improvement for the animators, well, that question can no longer be answered.
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wootsman
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Posted: Wed Nov 01, 2017 11:46 am
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Hardgear wrote: | This is going to be great, until they do what usually happens in situations like this and eventually throw out everything that made anime popular in the first place to "appeal to a wider audience". Something niche becomes mainstream and everyone loves it, so OBVIOUSLY the solution is to remove everything that made it unique and likeable to appeal to that wider audience amirite?!?! It's not like that stuff is what brought them in in the first place! |
The taste from Westerners is pretty synced up with the Japanese, from what I've seen from those graphs Crunch Roll makes for their seasonal anime. So it would be really foolish to pander to them that way.
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Usagi-kun
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Posted: Wed Nov 01, 2017 11:50 am
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It is really awesome to see our eccentric little hobby getting so much attention. What I want to know is how this will affect simulcasts. As far as waiting at year (at least) for a stateside release (and even longer for some territories) will bring back a point over two decades ago when fansubs and Kazaa roamed the earth. I would consider this a step forward and two steps back situation. Hopefully this will clarified soon.
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Zin5ki
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Posted: Wed Nov 01, 2017 11:52 am
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Quote: | But how aggressively these companies push anime towards the general public remains to be seen. The impact could be relatively small, like when Random House and Kodansha joined forces for manga publishing, and the end result was simply more books being published in English faster. Or we could end up seeing ads for new series on bus stops and billboards in the middle of shopping malls all over America. |
Am I right to be concerned here? As much as I like to assume the best of people, and thus to expect that these corporations will respect the intrinsic narrowness of anime's international appeal, the magnitude of the changes that have already occurred suggests otherwise.
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Jonny Mendes
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Posted: Wed Nov 01, 2017 11:54 am
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Hardgear wrote: | This is going to be great, until they do what usually happens in situations like this and eventually throw out everything that made anime popular in the first place to "appeal to a wider audience". Something niche becomes mainstream and everyone loves it, so OBVIOUSLY the solution is to remove everything that made it unique and likeable to appeal to that wider audience amirite?!?! It's not like that stuff is what brought them in in the first place! |
The impact of this news on the usual Late night anime or mainstream anime that make most of the anime released will be minimal. The reason is that most anime is made as commercials to promote other media for the Japanese market. So all things that many fans look for in anime will be there.
What this news bring will be other different anime will be produced. Anime made with other markets in mind. Some stories that would never had the possibility to be produced because not enough Japanese like them, will now have some possibility.
And the people that complain that too much anime is been made, they don't see nothing yet. The number of anime made in the future can be more than on their wilder dreams.
What this means is that will bring more work for studios and new studios will appear so they can keep with the demand and even some studios will work only for the global market.
So, don't worry, Japanese anime will be safe from the globalists attack that want products that appeal to everyone even if that mean remove all that make that product unique in the first place.
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jtstellar
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Posted: Wed Nov 01, 2017 12:03 pm
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the 'industry' is as good as the people watching.. if you're going to wonder if things will get watered down, see if the people are 'watered down' first.. if millennials turn out to be just like the boomers, there's no point pointing finger somewhere else. i expect shows to be greatly individualized because the reality of the trend for younger gens IS a move toward more individualization. companies might not be responsive to interviews and one on one questions, because there might not be a need to. every niche show for every niche audience will be presented at wild frequency and there will be new technologies and show mediums, maybe even open-source interactive shows where stories are made by a collaborative with audiences when society evolves and profits are less and less of an incentive as opposed to pure passion. it all depends on the people, stop putting so much focus on the companies and makers, look inward.
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Chrono1000
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Posted: Wed Nov 01, 2017 12:03 pm
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The problem with Netflix trying to make anime is that they most likely have zero idea why people like anime. They will get rid of the fanservice to make the feminists happy and they will get rid of the violence to make it safe for the kids. There is a very good chance Netflix will make watered down stuff that kind of looks like anime but that is basically no different than Ben 10 or Sofia the First.
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ultimatehaki
Joined: 27 Oct 2012
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Posted: Wed Nov 01, 2017 12:09 pm
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wootsman wrote: |
Hardgear wrote: | This is going to be great, until they do what usually happens in situations like this and eventually throw out everything that made anime popular in the first place to "appeal to a wider audience". Something niche becomes mainstream and everyone loves it, so OBVIOUSLY the solution is to remove everything that made it unique and likeable to appeal to that wider audience amirite?!?! It's not like that stuff is what brought them in in the first place! |
The taste from Westerners is pretty synced up with the Japanese, from what I've seen from those graphs Crunch Roll makes for their seasonal anime. So it would be really foolish to pander to them that way. |
Look up top 100 anime in japan and top 100 anime internationally on YouTube by the anime man. Our taste are very different for the most part.
Number 1 in japan was Tiger x Bunny and number 1 internationally was of course FMA:B.
The rest of the list was vastly different too for the most part.
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Nate148
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Posted: Wed Nov 01, 2017 12:11 pm
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To all the Netflix will kill anime folks likely Netflix will send the money and let the anime guys make the anime they want because they know anime and the Netflix originals fans are mostly not the same
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Salaryman Rintarō
Joined: 31 Oct 2017
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Posted: Wed Nov 01, 2017 12:16 pm
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wootsman wrote: | The taste from Westerners is pretty synced up with the Japanese, from what I've seen from those graphs Crunch Roll makes for their seasonal anime. So it would be really foolish to pander to them that way. |
Not really. Large parts of Westerners are not hikikomori or fujoshi which anime is mostly made for in Japan (outside kids' anime). Large US corporations won't be interested in these microscopic niche-markets. They want to attract mainstream crowds who watch Miyazaki or Shinkai or Hosoda. They want radically change the target audience for current anime.
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Hardgear
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Posted: Wed Nov 01, 2017 12:18 pm
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As long as they keep following the market as they are doing now instead of trying to manipulate it, all will be well.
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Folkstad Ohm
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Posted: Wed Nov 01, 2017 12:35 pm
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Chrono1000 wrote: | The problem with Netflix trying to make anime is that they most likely have zero idea why people like anime. They will get rid of the fanservice to make the feminists happy and they will get rid of the violence to make it safe for the kids. |
As jstellar wrote, it all depends on whom the word "people" refers to. Netflix has very detailed information on what its subscribers watch, and will presumably fund its own anime productions based on that information. If there's a substantial audience among Netflix subscribers for shows with lots of fanservice, or for shows with lots of violence, then they will fund production of shows with fanservice and violence.
I suspect any impact will be more in terms of relative numbers than absolute numbers. In other words, if there are substantial subsets of Netflix subscribers who like anime without fanservice or violence, then Netflix will serve that market as well. In that case the relative number of fanservice- and violence-heavy anime may decline, while the absolute number of such shows remains constant or even increases.
It's like the recent trend of western publishers licensing more yuri manga: they discovered there's a market for yuri works, and they're serving it. But they didn't stop licensing other types of manga as a result.
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