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relyat08
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Posted: Mon Mar 13, 2017 5:47 pm
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Animegomaniac wrote: |
varmintx wrote: | Try watching a non-anamorphic DVD of a movie these days. The Abyss just looks so awesome, especially after you zoom-in so it's not pillar-boxed. Yep, really happy with it still not being available on blu-ray after a goddamn decade. |
Interesting... this topic made me think of how my once good looking DVD of the Abyss looks like garbage in my HD set up. That just made it look like a bad VHS tape somehow. Maybe I have a different transfer of it? I know I have other T*H*X master DVDs that do work well in HD, things like Halloween and Tenchi Muyo, but the T*H*X Abyss only a thankless effort. For me at least. |
I think they were joking. Sounds to me like they are a little bit bitter than there hasn't been a better re-release of The Abyss in all this time because it looks like crap to them.
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jsevakis
Former ANN Editor in Chief
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Posted: Mon Mar 13, 2017 6:06 pm
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MarshalBanana wrote: | Well DVD did change over the years, DVD 9 has a lot more memory than DVD 5 for example and requires less data compression. |
DVD-9 has been around since the beginning. It just used to be more expensive to replicate, so some publishers were stingy with the bitrate to avoid it in years past.
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Top Gun
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Posted: Mon Mar 13, 2017 7:55 pm
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rizuchan wrote: | It'd be so nice if there was a resource as to what anime DVDs have been remastered in more recent releases. I will almost always buy Blu-ray if it exists, but 1. I would have no problem double-dipping for some of my older DVDs (Justin's answer implies that newer releases of Fruits Basket look better than the older ones?) and 2. I could avoid buying ones that haven't been. I got the Anime classics release of Haibane Renmei for Xmas and the video quality is so atrocious I wouldn't have been any worse off streaming it. |
Yeah, I've wondered about this recently myself. I'll double-dip on pretty much anything that gets newly released on Blu-ray, even if it's nothing more than an upscale, just for the sake of having it on that medium too, but I've never thought about more recent DVD releases being a marked improvement. I own a ton of old Geneon and Bandai disks, including things like Trigun and Last Exile that have only seen DVD re-releases, and it'd be nice to know if upgrading is something seriously worth considering. I mean I'm sure that sort of info is buried in the vaults of Fandom Post or something, but I don't have the inclination to seek it out for who knows how many disparate releases. On the other hand, maybe ignorance is bliss...I bleed enough money buying this stuff as-is.
At the very least, is there any sort of comprehensive listing out there as to what series were released in non-anamorphic format? That alone would probably be worth an upgrade.
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Sakagami Tomoyo
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Posted: Mon Mar 13, 2017 8:09 pm
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0nsen wrote: | The best looking DVDs I've got are 576p, though. Not 480p. |
I'm assuming they're movies, or if anime, fairly recent. Film->PAL has always been better than film->NTSC but NTSC->PAL conversions back in the day were pretty horrible. These days since it's all downscaled from HD digital masters, PAL anime DVDs do tend to look pretty nice. I'll still take Blu-ray over either wherever possible, though.
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Angel M Cazares
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Posted: Mon Mar 13, 2017 8:35 pm
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WingKing wrote: | I have a fair number of older anime DVDs (including the Media Blasters Utena release that Justin mentioned) that I haven't tested out since I upgraded my home entertainment system last year, and now I'm suddenly nervous that a big chunk of my collection might be obsolete. |
Utena was actually originally released on DVD by Central Park Media. I have heard that those discs look bad. Utena was later rereleased on DVD by Right Stuf/Nozomi, and the anime looks great in those discs.
Quote: | The only pre-2006 anime DVDs that I've watched since I got my new TV is my old Noir set, and that's looked fine so far (halfway through) |
I have a DVD set of Noir, and the discs look good in my HD set up. You might want to get Funimation's BD release because in my opinion the visual upgrade is worth it.
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epicwizard
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Posted: Mon Mar 13, 2017 9:45 pm
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Interesting. Now this most likely means that the Ojarumaru DVDs by Nippon Crown look pretty bad on modern TVs. I don't have any of those DVDs, but I do know that they were released in Japan between September 2002 and August 2003. And unfortunately, the 1st-5th series haven't been reissued on DVD in Japan (though, the DVD of the 4th special includes episodes 1, 2, and 90 as bonus features). Considering the series' huge popularity over there, you'd think NHK Enterprises would've released (or at least commissioned) DVDs of the 1st-5th series with remastered video quality by now. But nope, they haven't.
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PurpleWarrior13
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Posted: Mon Mar 13, 2017 10:51 pm
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I had to track down the 2001 Pioneer DVD release of the Tenchi Muyo! Mihoshi Special, since FUNi skipped it on their Blu-ray. My god, that disc looks awful. It's incredibly blurry, and filled with nightmarish aliasing, mosquito noise, and macroblocking. Too bad, because it's my favorite episode. I would love to see how the Japanese Blu-ray looks.
The 2007-9 DBZ Season sets are mastered from HD masters and the recent Blu-rays don't look much better. I don't like the cropping anyway, so I have no compelling reason to upgrade.
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Tylerr
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Posted: Mon Mar 13, 2017 11:03 pm
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eh idk how people can stand watching anime on dvd anyway.
what with those horrible cancer causing yellow subtitles.
at minimum i'd have to rip them and convert those to .ass and restyle them.
PurpleWarrior13 wrote: | I had to track down the 2001 Pioneer DVD release of the Tenchi Muyo! Mihoshi Special, since FUNi skipped it on their Blu-ray. My god, that disc looks awful. It's incredibly blurry, and filled with nightmarish aliasing, mosquito noise, and macroblocking. Too bad, because it's my favorite episode. I would love to see how the Japanese Blu-ray looks. |
just watched the blu-ray version earlier today, looks great.
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Sakagami Tomoyo
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Posted: Mon Mar 13, 2017 11:33 pm
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Tylerr wrote: | eh idk how people can stand watching anime on dvd anyway.
what with those horrible cancer causing yellow subtitles. |
Honestly, given all the legitimate complaints people can make about the DVD standard, and even its subtitle format specifically, I just don't get why the complaint so many people make is "the subtitles are yellow". To me it's like complaining about an old wooden table because it's brown when it's got a wonky leg and is rotting a little at one end. I just don't see the problem with the colour, and even if there is a good reason you don't like the colour, it's hardly the biggest problem.
Admittedly, most of the reasons yellow (with black outline) was chosen as a standard subtitle colour to begin with no longer hold true - ie hardly anyone is watching stuff on a standard definition CRT anymore, so contrasting that clearly against everything possible isn't such a priority. But just because it's possible to have subtitles any colour in the rainbow, that doesn't A) mean you should (the early days of digital fansubs were lousy with font/colour choices that made subs nearly unreadable even on a good computer monitor), or B) make yellow actually bad.
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walw6pK4Alo
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Posted: Tue Mar 14, 2017 12:28 am
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WingKing wrote: | The only pre-2006 anime DVDs that I've watched since I got my new TV is my old Noir set, and that's looked fine so far (halfway through), but now I'm wondering about the rest of my older DVD sets. |
Noir's gonna look like crap compared to the BluRay that's out, but doesn't help the show being a slog.
I noticed a lot of discs I have never really looked all that good, or just had other issues like aliasing and such. Now I just wait on older things until a remaster is released, but it seems like that stuff has dramatically slowed down.
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FLCLGainax
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Posted: Tue Mar 14, 2017 1:47 am
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The old CRT TVs of yesteryear certainly hid things which look abysmal on today's TVs! The old release of UY: Beautiful Dreamer CPM put out has lots of composite artifacts. I'm glad Discotek is re-issuing that one using a newer film transfer.
PurpleWarrior13 wrote: | I had to track down the 2001 Pioneer DVD release of the Tenchi Muyo! Mihoshi Special, since FUNi skipped it on their Blu-ray. My god, that disc looks awful. It's incredibly blurry, and filled with nightmarish aliasing, mosquito noise, and macroblocking. |
Pioneer must have reused their ancient laserdisc master for that episode in particular. The other episodes don't look as bad on the format.
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leafy sea dragon
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Posted: Tue Mar 14, 2017 2:28 am
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Sakagami Tomoyo wrote: |
Tylerr wrote: | eh idk how people can stand watching anime on dvd anyway.
what with those horrible cancer causing yellow subtitles. |
Honestly, given all the legitimate complaints people can make about the DVD standard, and even its subtitle format specifically, I just don't get why the complaint so many people make is "the subtitles are yellow". To me it's like complaining about an old wooden table because it's brown when it's got a wonky leg and is rotting a little at one end. I just don't see the problem with the colour, and even if there is a good reason you don't like the colour, it's hardly the biggest problem.
Admittedly, most of the reasons yellow (with black outline) was chosen as a standard subtitle colour to begin with no longer hold true - ie hardly anyone is watching stuff on a standard definition CRT anymore, so contrasting that clearly against everything possible isn't such a priority. But just because it's possible to have subtitles any colour in the rainbow, that doesn't A) mean you should (the early days of digital fansubs were lousy with font/colour choices that made subs nearly unreadable even on a good computer monitor), or B) make yellow actually bad. |
In addition, some people, like myself, prefer to watch them dubbed.
EricJ2 wrote: | Oyyyy... I remember--back during those same days before we really knew what DVD's were "for", when Multi-Angle was seen as the big thing that DVD could do that VHS couldn't--everyone tried to find some neat showoff angle for it.
The usual was branching the JP vs. US openings depending on whether you chose Japanese or English audio as the default option, which was already using up too much valuable space on a cheap DVD-5 that only had room for 3-4 episodes to begin with.
Looking at companies currently floundering trying to sell the public on why they "want" Digital-Ownership or 4K UHD disk, it makes you appreciate how a new format has to earn its way by demonstrating how it can solve the problems of the viewer, not show off the technology. |
To be honest, I completely forgot about Multi-Angle until now. I remember seeing the button on the remote and wondering what it was for, as most of my DVDs didn't have such a thing.
I suppose to hardcore film and TV geeks, they might find appeal in its supposed intended purpose, which is to watch live action from a different camera's perspective, but even then, it'd be nothing but a novelty. But said hardcore film and TV geeks are probably the people who were designing DVD players during that time, and maybe they were really into it and thought everyone else would be too.
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EricJ2
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Posted: Tue Mar 14, 2017 3:18 am
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leafy sea dragon wrote: | To be honest, I completely forgot about Multi-Angle until now. I remember seeing the button on the remote and wondering what it was for, as most of my DVDs didn't have such a thing.
I suppose to hardcore film and TV geeks, they might find appeal in its supposed intended purpose, which is to watch live action from a different camera's perspective, but even then, it'd be nothing but a novelty. But said hardcore film and TV geeks are probably the people who were designing DVD players during that time, and maybe they were really into it and thought everyone else would be too. |
It's sort of the same reason BD-Live floundered about before failing:
A new technology, promoted before those applying the technology had the faintest idea what to do with it. ("People will have their own Movie MySpace, and shop online while they watch!")
Back when I was renting whatever DVD's I could find, there were a few multi-angle disks--
Mostly special-effects featurettes, to branch between the movie and the effects, or concerts to "be the director" and change camera angles (and, ahem, some porn with the same idea), but apart from multi-language credits, that was pretty much, um....it.
And yes, it was pretty much a toy without a purpose, which meant it was quickly thrown back in the toybox.
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Zin5ki
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Posted: Tue Mar 14, 2017 3:47 am
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Sakagami Tomoyo wrote: | I'm assuming they're movies, or if anime, fairly recent. Film->PAL has always been better than film->NTSC but NTSC->PAL conversions back in the day were pretty horrible. |
I like to hope that current or future software enhancements can to compensate for NTSC to PAL conversion issues, in the same way that interlacing artefacts can be diminished. Panning shots become especially worthy of panning, one could say.
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TarsTarkas
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Posted: Tue Mar 14, 2017 4:28 am
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One of these days I will have to break out my laserdisc player and see how good my LD's of Iczer One, Outlanders, El-Hazard, and Tenchi Muyo look today.
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