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Second_Ignition_Yui
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 Posted: Fri May 18, 2007 8:45 am
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Share > Winny. Can't get caught with Share 
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cnile
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Posted: Fri May 18, 2007 10:43 am
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or people can just stop being cheap bastards and just buy the magazines. the manga magazines are the backbone of the whole culture after all, not expensive, and from what i understand, their sales haven't been as good lately.
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v1cious
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Posted: Fri May 18, 2007 11:40 am
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| cnile wrote: | | or people can just stop being cheap bastards and just buy the magazines. the manga magazines are the backbone of the whole culture after all, not expensive, and from what i understand, their sales haven't been as good lately. |
seeing as how they were scanning, one would assume they did buy them. the reason magazine sales are down is cause more people are buying volumes. same thing is happening in the comic industry right now.
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testorschoice
Joined: 28 Apr 2007
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Posted: Fri May 18, 2007 12:11 pm
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| v1cious wrote: |
| cnile wrote: | | or people can just stop being cheap bastards and just buy the magazines. the manga magazines are the backbone of the whole culture after all, not expensive, and from what i understand, their sales haven't been as good lately. |
seeing as how they were scanning, one would assume they did buy them. |
Not necessarily. According to the article, one of the suspects allegedly posted the Shonen Jump scans before the magazine issues even officially went on sale.
| Quote: | | the reason magazine sales are down is cause more people are buying volumes. same thing is happening in the comic industry right now. |
That's certainly one of the major reasons (if not the main one), but having someone upload the contents of a magazine before it is even officially in bookstores didn't help. In the other case reported in the article, people were selling manga scans, and that also definitely didn't help official volume sales either.
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daisuke_wto
Joined: 15 Mar 2006
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Posted: Fri May 18, 2007 12:24 pm
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| v1cious wrote: |
| cnile wrote: | | or people can just stop being cheap bastards and just buy the magazines. the manga magazines are the backbone of the whole culture after all, not expensive, and from what i understand, their sales haven't been as good lately. |
seeing as how they were scanning, one would assume they did buy them. the reason magazine sales are down is cause more people are buying volumes. same thing is happening in the comic industry right now. |
ummm no? actualy the comic market is doing insanely good at the moment not as good as they were in the early 90s but much better then they did a decade ago both trade sales and single issue sales are up
that being said manga magazine sales are down in Japan and no 1 else is amazed that these kids got arrested for scanning a few months worth of issues I mean something like that wouldn't be notice in America at least I don't think so
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v1cious
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Posted: Fri May 18, 2007 12:41 pm
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| testorschoice wrote: |
| v1cious wrote: |
| cnile wrote: | | or people can just stop being cheap bastards and just buy the magazines. the manga magazines are the backbone of the whole culture after all, not expensive, and from what i understand, their sales haven't been as good lately. |
seeing as how they were scanning, one would assume they did buy them. |
Not necessarily. According to the article, one of the suspects allegedly posted the Shonen Jump scans before the magazine issues even officially went on sale. |
i'm assuming they mean on newsstands. anyone know if Shounen Jump has a subscription service?
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testorschoice
Joined: 28 Apr 2007
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Posted: Fri May 18, 2007 12:46 pm
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| daisuke_wto wrote: | | that being said manga magazine sales are down in Japan and no 1 else is amazed that these kids got arrested for scanning a few months worth of issues I mean something like that wouldn't be notice in America at least I don't think so |
It was enough to justify arrests, and just as crucially, search warrants. Judging from previous cases, this "High-Tech Crime Task Force" is very exacting in its methods of obtaining external forensic evidence for an arrest. Now that the police have the contents of those suspects' computers, the suspects might face plenty more charges with the additional evidence.
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testorschoice
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Posted: Fri May 18, 2007 12:48 pm
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| v1cious wrote: | | i'm assuming they mean on newsstands. anyone know if Shounen Jump has a subscription service? |
It doesn't, in Japan. Most magazines don't in Japan.
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kokuryu
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Posted: Fri May 18, 2007 1:33 pm
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Yeah, the lack of subscription services is partially to blame for whats happening. The other part is the crackdown on the storylines and making them watered down now. And third is the current drag on the economy in Japan - the prices are too high for most things (well not these weekly compilations - they are dirt cheap as far as I am concerned). Also overseas sales have dropped to a low as well for the original magazines. The postage costs are unreal. It cost me almost $10 just to bring in one issue of Magi-Cue. It's not worth it.
Well, hopefully this will cut down on the scanlations online and the people who sell them in the auctions. But this action wont garner Shueisha any more fans. This is twice so far in the same week they have been in the news about their manga - and the actions are all anti-fan. I think one more time in the news, or some news about them arresting someone for doing fansub or raws distributions of one of their related anime, will put the nail in the coffin for Shueisha, and it will be all downhill after that.
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red255
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Posted: Fri May 18, 2007 1:53 pm
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Wait, how was he getting the manga before the release date?
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testorschoice
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Posted: Fri May 18, 2007 2:00 pm
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| kokuryu wrote: | | Yeah, the lack of subscription services is partially to blame for whats happening. |
Shonen Jump has never had publisher subscription services. Why would that bring down sales or encourage unauthorized copying now?
| Quote: | | The other part is the crackdown on the storylines and making them watered down now. |
"Crackdown"?
| Quote: | | And third is the current drag on the economy in Japan - the prices are too high for most things (well not these weekly compilations - they are dirt cheap as far as I am concerned). |
So manga sales are supposedly affected by the current economy's effect on prices...except that manga prices were not affected by the current economy....Let's see the logic in that. Remember that the North American comic industry was born during the Great Depression and the current Japanese manga industry was born in the ashes of Japan's economy in the five years after World War II.
| Quote: | | Also overseas sales have dropped to a low as well for the original magazines. The postage costs are unreal. It cost me almost $10 just to bring in one issue of Magi-Cue. It's not worth it. |
Overseas sales to expatriates and foreign fans were a small fraction of these magazine's sales then and now. They're not close to a major reason for falling sales.
| Quote: | | Well, hopefully this will cut down on the scanlations online and the people who sell them in the auctions. But this action wont garner Shueisha any more fans. This is twice so far in the same week they have been in the news about their manga - and the actions are all anti-fan. |
How is arresting someone, who allegedly scanned magazine issues before they're on sale, considered "anti-fan"?
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The Big Bang
Joined: 17 May 2007
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Posted: Fri May 18, 2007 3:28 pm
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I don't see the point of going through all this trouble and the chance to go to jail just to read a magazine. That you would probably tired of in about two days. So,they rather have two days of excitement that will not last forever than to not be put in the slammer.  Hopefully they learn their lesson and just pay for the damm magazine next time.
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bayoab
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Posted: Fri May 18, 2007 3:43 pm
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| red255 wrote: | | Wait, how was he getting the manga before the release date? |
These people are usually somewhere in the supply chain and take a copy for themselves to scan and put online. Most likely near the retailer level or distribution level.
| The Big Bang wrote: | I don't see the point of going through all this trouble and the chance to go to jail just to a read magazine. That you would probably tired of in about two days. So,they rather have two days that will not last forever than to not be put in the slammer Hopefully they learn their lesson and just pay for the damm magazine next time. |
You completely missed what they did. They would obtain the magazine early (probably in some legal fashion) and then made it available online before its release date (which is illegal). This is not about paying to read a magazine for them. Odds are they did pay for their copy or obtain it in a method where it was legal not to pay for it.
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Moogle-X
Joined: 27 Apr 2007
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Posted: Fri May 18, 2007 6:20 pm
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Glad to hear the Japanese company is taking a stand to protect its interests. I really think that many people have come to believe that fansubs or scanlations are their right as fans of a product, which they are not. I as have many others enjoyed being able to watch shows and manga as close to their Japanese release as possible, but I think the attitude now as that you should watch it for free and then not support the show after you've already taken it is really too much. Having recently worked in a store that sells Anime and Manga, I have been very disappointed with the people who would come in all day bragging about how they don't have to buy anime or manga anymore because they just downloaded it online.
It really has caused a drop in sales industry-wide and this is what I feel is really only the first of many attempts of the production and/or licensing companies trying to reclaim their lost sales. Germany, Poland and Japan... When will the US follow suit?
It's really not anti-fan if your customers steal the product instead of buying it and then spread it over the internet
You may now proceed to trash my point of view. 
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Volyund
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Posted: Fri May 18, 2007 6:30 pm
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Say you taped some show on VCR because you couldn't be home to watch it. Say then your friend taped another show. Is it OK to share that Video Tape with your friend and vise versa? Then say you recorded it digitally on your computer rather than on a VCR. Then is it OK to share it with your friend over the internet? How about two friends, three...ten? I'm not trying to justify online file sharing, but where do you draw the line? I am just curious.
On a side note, sharing magazine scans online before the magazine is even available in the stores... that is just like screaming "CATCH ME!".
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