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Tsukasa
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Okay I am very angry :evil: at Disney productions! Who else is?? When I went to Tokyo 2002*02*21-03*05 in the theaters they were playing "Sentochihironokamikakushi" in english it is "Spirited Away." That was the #1 anime for weeks!! I even got the RARE set manga of it at my house with the asome box^_^. When I came back from Tokyo I learned that Disney bought the rights to produce this film.
Do ya'll know HOW BADLY DUBBED is!!? It's horrible! USA is probably gonna screw it up badly than even worse Disney is thinking about releasing it to NorthAmerican theaters!!! @.@.. If I was Miyazaki I would be badly ashamed and imbarrassed!! What's your opinion?? So I am just going to buy the original "Sentochihironokamikakushi" for 5000yen. |
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cookie
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Having not seen the English dub yet, I can't comment on the quality of the voices... However, I have read through part of the Disney script, and have heard that Viz's in-house translation matches the script for very nearly every line. (So said Viz @ Otakon, anyway) Based on the quality of the Mononoke dub (which, personally, I enjoyed), I honestly have no worries about Spirited Away, in terms of quality at least. I'm more concerned about the release. Even Mononoke had trailers in theaters over 2 months in advance of the [limited] release.. so the days are ticking. It's obviously not going to be a huge release, which is disappointing.. but how large will it be? As big as Mononoke? Smaller? Larger? At this point I haven't heard... I'd like to know, at least, how far I have to travel to see it. ;) |
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GATSU
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Tsukasa: " When I went to Tokyo 2002*02*21-03*05 in the theaters they were playing "Sentochihironokamikakushi" in english it is "Spirited Away." That was the #1 anime for weeks!! I even got the RARE set manga of it at my house with the asome box^_^."
Stop whining. At least you got to see Spirited Away and on the big screen. Most of us are still waiting for this movie to come out here, and those of us who are importing can't even get a good dvd. "Do ya'll know HOW BADLY DUBBED is!!? It's horrible!" And I'm sure the Japanese don't have bad dubs. "If I was Miyazaki I would be badly ashamed and imbarrassed!!" Miyazaki doesn't care about an American audience, and apparently doesn't even care if Ghibli films get butchered, whether they're in Japan(red tint) or here. Cookie: "It's obviously not going to be a huge release, which is disappointing.. but how large will it be? As big as Mononoke? Smaller? Larger?" I don't even believe Disney has any plans to release it. They've been sitting on their Asian films for a while. Shaolin Soccer and Zu were supposed to come out months ago. And remember what happened to Avalon? I'm just glad at least one anime film(Millenium Actress) wasn't swiped by them. Too bad they have Ghost in the Shell 2 though... Edit: Let me re-phrase that. Eisner and Weinstein are the scum of the earth. Disney was a person who actually appreciated animation since he WAS an animator, and not just a suit. |
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Hotaru
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Well Gatsu, if you even read the news on ANN, you'd see that it says Touchtone pictures is handling the release of Sen to Chihiro. Touchtone is a subsidiary of Disney, and so is Buena Vista who handled Kiki's Delivery Service (and I can't recall who handled Mononoke...) But the Mononoke dub was good, actually. I watched it six times and am not sick of the voices at all. And do you honestly think that after Sen raked in so much money in Japan, that Disney would put it in arthouse theatres like Mononoke? That's be utterly stupid, and we all know that Disney only cares about profit.
Now your comment about the japanese not having bad dubs? Sure there are. I actually prefer the english Cowboy Bebop to the Japanese! Some japanese voice's are too high and squaky or too serious and things like that. They were merely stating their opinion on dubs, and that's fine. You don't have to get nasty. And yes, you have to wait until september 20th to see sen in theatres. That's a little over a month. It's not that big a deal. Live through the dub, invest in a DVD player (we got a region free dvd, mp3, vcd and picture cd player for around $70, no kidding) and get the dvd and watch it subtitled. What else do you want? Disney isn't going to release it with subtitles. Too many americans are too lazy to read, and they'll probably target it to a younger audience who can't read anyway. Long post, my apologies, but there was no need to get snippy! |
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GATSU
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Hotaru:
"And do you honestly think that after Sen raked in so much money in Japan, that Disney would put it in arthouse theatres like Mononoke? That's be utterly stupid, and we all know that Disney only cares about profit." Mononoke was the Ghibli box office champ before Sen, and look what happened to it. Hell, Kiki was one of the better selling vhs titles for Disney, and they still haven't put it on dvd, even though they claim they were waiting for the Japanese version to come out, and it's been at least a year since it did. And Disney cares about creative control, which is why they f*ck over any film that Weinstein or Eisner didn't supervise, either through limited release(Mononoke) or through competition with a blockbuster which will cream it in the box office. (For example, Jay and Silent Bob Strike Back was put up against American Pie 2, making it impossible to get number 1.) "Live through the dub, invest in a DVD player (we got a region free dvd, mp3, vcd and picture cd player for around $70, no kidding) and get the dvd and watch it subtitled. What else do you want?" Well if I were an importer, I wouldn't want a red tint. That's for sure. |
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nagash
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In regards to where it will probably be shown; the only thing I can go on in that respect is that when Metropolis was in the theater it played in only one house, in a out-of-the way location (the nearest subway stop was not within visual distance of the movie theater), and it only played at night.
It's not that it wasn't advertised (it held a 3 inch block on the movie listing page) but it wasn't hyped up. Both Mononoke and Metropolis were interesting, both to watch and for the circumstances around them. I know the fansub question is in another forum but if there's one reason why I'm glad they exist it's because of how they handled these two films. Mononoke was advertised very little. It made a whimper at the theaters until parents started bringing their 5 year old kids and all hell broke loose. They received some bad publicity over it. Where I live, there was no way it was going to be picked up. If it was, the theater was not a mainstream one. So, how did I, as well as a few thousand other fans wind up seeing it: fansub. I saw the original version first. A few months later, I was at a game convention (which also has an anime wing) and they showed it. That's where I got to see the English version. I'd have to say the dubbing was pretty good and the lines were more often than not true to the original. Metropolis. Unless you had a car, getting to the theater where that was shown was not worth the trouble. Thus, many, many people saw it via fansub. Something that I have in my area that many people might not, however, is that one of the stores I can go to does no business with true American companies. They only deal with American branches of Japanese companies, thus they only get Japanese products. Yeah, you'll see ADV, etc., in a limited sense, however, if you're into toys, games, collectibles, etc., then they are the only local store to go to for authentic Japanese merchandise. If it wasn't for this store, a lot of people wouldn't get to see anime as they sponsor the anime wings at the local conventions (they supply the anime). This store does not do fansubs or bootlegs, but if a company gives them an advanced copy they will put it out for rent or sale. |
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GATSU
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nagash: "In regards to where it will probably be shown; the only thing I can go on in that respect is that when Metropolis was in the theater it played in only one house, in a out-of-the way location (the nearest subway stop was not within visual distance of the movie theater), and it only played at night.
It's not that it wasn't advertised (it held a 3 inch block on the movie listing page) but it wasn't hyped up." From what insiders tell me, Metropolis didn't get a lot of press, because Sony was worried the crumbling skyscraper scene would be too much for people still reeling with 9/11. That's why it got pushed to 2002. But apparently, they delayed the dvd, and expanded it, cus of how well it did. And Bebop actually has an established audience, so it could get more marketing and/or distribution. And I respect Sony for contining to challenge the "animation is only for kids" myth with their new PG 13 Adam Sandler animated film, Eight Crazy Nights. Who knows? Maybe it'll do better than The Spirits Within. |
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LordByronius
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According to the Preview site on Yahoo Movies, Spirited Away will open on September 20th in Los Angeles and New York and will expand to other cities in the following weeks.
I hate to be such a cynic, but I keep getting this gut feeling that it will fail. I don't doubt that Lasseter and Kirk Wise have done a great job on the English adaptation, but considering that Disney has not done anything as far as marketing this film goes and that the film is a 2-plus hour family film that will have no chance of reaching said families in its limited release... Things aren't looking good, is all I'm saying. And Tsukasa: Your avatar is really screwing with the page alignment. ARRGH MY EYES THEY BURN[/url] |
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GATSU
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nausicaa.net says it's gonna be at the El Capitan in L.A. I'm not sure that's a good thing, as the last time my mom went to see Lilo and Stitch there, tickets cost $14. (And those were the CHEAP seats!) And I don't exactly know how they're gonna sell costly tickets to people who don't know anything about the film. OTOH, the AFI's screening of Laputa drew a huge crowd.
Speaking of nausicaa.net, they've really been digging for bones about U.S. Ghibli releases lately, even though they keep coming up short. I think they should stop jumping to conclusions, unless there's a specific release date and/or location and time. I'm getting tired of crap like, "Laputa may be on dvd, because CD Japan has the American soundtrack!" |
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Jlbkwrm
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Completely and utterly inaccurate. J&SBSB was, in fact, delayed in its theatrical release specifically to keep it away from AP2 (Both were scheduled for the same day; bumping it ahead a week would have put it against Rush Hour 2. So, it was bumped back a couple of weeks). Simple truth: Disney wants to make money. They do not care who makes a movie. They just want to increase their profits. Disney's biggest Miyazaki-related problem is that they have no clue how to market the things. Ignorance, not some bizarre desire to lose money, is their problem here. I wouldn't be surprised if they're keeping their fingers crossed for a huge hit with Sen. If it goes over well, they could push out Laputa and Kiki DVD's with "From the Creator of Spirited Away!" all over them, and make a ton of money. |
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GATSU
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"Completely and utterly inaccurate. J&SBSB was, in fact, delayed in its theatrical release specifically to keep it away from AP2 (Both were scheduled for the same day; bumping it ahead a week would have put it against Rush Hour 2. So, it was bumped back a couple of weeks)."
And Smith was saying part of the reason it lost money was because Disney just HAD to have anation-wide test-screening the week before. "Simple truth: Disney wants to make money. They do not care who makes a movie. They just want to increase their profits. Disney's biggest Miyazaki-related problem is that they have no clue how to market the things." Sure they do. Chop them up like they been chopping up Shaolin Soccer and Zu. But because Miyazaki doesn't want that to happen, they won't give it a wide distribution. But it's easier if they rip off elements from a Miyazaki film, and re-title it Treasure Planet instead. It's politics, plain and simple. |
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Jlbkwrm
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Not only is this a completely different claim from your initial one, it makes no sense. The director's claiming a movie lost money because there were test screenings? From what I remember, they were hugely positive. Regardless, the movie did well opening weekend, Dimension promoted the heck out of it. It just failed to find an audience, which is too bad, but certainly not Weinstein's fault.
Uh. I don't think either of the two titles you mentioned got terribly wide distribution, either. Further, I doubt you could market a Miyazaki film in the same manner you could market either of the above. They don't aim at the same audience. And, it's been said that Miyazaki gave Disney the go-ahead for whatever cuts they wanted. None of their pre-established marketing patterns would have worked for Mononoke--Disney doesn't have much experience dealing with animation that is absolutely not child-friendly. From what I've heard, Sen should fall somewhat more in line with what they're used to, but it will still require them to develop a new strategy. I highly doubt Sen will do as well as it should, and I wish Disney would get their act together. But Disney isn't going to outlay money to dub something unless they intend to make that money back. They could have just shoveled all of Miyazaki's stuff on sub-only DVDs and washed their hands of it. Fans would be content, for the most part. The fact that this hasn't happened indicates that Disney's aiming for more. |
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Tenchi
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I don't know how accurate this is, but I've heard the figure 500 screens bandied about, which, if true. would be about 200 to 300 screens more than I was expecting. I say, if Disney does everything right, it will make $20 to 30 million, which would be a very respectable take for an animated, foreign film.
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GATSU
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Jl:
"Not only is this a completely different claim from your initial one, it makes no sense. The director's claiming a movie lost money because there were test screenings? From what I remember, they were hugely positive." Yes, but less people wanted to pay to see it on opening day, because of those screenings. "Regardless, the movie did well opening weekend, Dimension promoted the heck out of it." Not nearly as much as Bubble Boy. They also dropped Smith's Dogma, because they didn't want a religious boycott, but they didn't care when Ellen-a show they produced-was going to be boycotted, because they actually produced it. Even Life is Beautiful, their most succesful foreign film in the U.S., was still dubbed. Cinema Paradiso won an Academy Award for its edited version, and even now Weinstein is bickering with Scorcese over Gangs of New York. These people are pure evil, damnit. It just failed to find an audience, which is too bad, but certainly not Weinstein's fault. Quote: Sure they do. Chop them up like they been chopping up Shaolin Soccer and Zu. But because Miyazaki doesn't want that to happen, they won't give it a wide distribution. "Uh. I don't think either of the two titles you mentioned got terribly wide distribution, either. Further, I doubt you could market a Miyazaki film in the same manner you could market either of the above. They don't aim at the same audience." I would think they would have the same audience: fans of Asian cinema, especially since many HK films are becoming anime-inspired. "And, it's been said that Miyazaki gave Disney the go-ahead for whatever cuts they wanted." I don't like Miyazaki right now either. "None of their pre-established marketing patterns would have worked for Mononoke--Disney doesn't have much experience dealing with animation that is absolutely not child-friendly." They also don't have much respect for their own animators. <Eisner> Atlantis and Dinosaur flopped? It couldn't have been the script! Let's fire all the hard-working people who made our films possible instead, cus I sure as hell ain't takin' a pay-cut! "But Disney isn't going to outlay money to dub something unless they intend to make that money back." Dubbing's cheap. And even as expensive as Ghibli films are, they're still cheaper to buy than producing Lilo and Stitch. They know where their priorities are, and that's buying out as much animation as possible, charging a hefty price for anyone else to pick it up(Remember Dic and Sailor Moon?), and destroying as much competition as possible in the process. |
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cookie
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Yeah, but like Mononoke (which, as someone question above, was released by Mirimax) those numbers change over time. Assuming everything I heard was true, then Mononoke dropped from 2,000 theaters and a June release to 1000 and a September release, followed by 500 and an October release, then 100, and then 7 to expand to 20-some and "we'll see how it goes from there". Of course, Mononoke did well enough that they dropped it in the mid-west where it floundered, but it hit something above 100 theaters before it stopped. 500 is probably a euphemism for ~100, which will hit the top 20-40 markets.... with even 100 screens, pretty much every major city will have a print. Most people live within 100 miles of water, which is usually where . If people want to see the film, they can drive 1-2 hours to see it. If people don't want to see the film, then there's no money lost. (Tho, at 500, that means that my town would pretty much be guaranteed a print. Not bad.) |
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